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Post by Leo_The_Last on Apr 30, 2019 18:55:12 GMT
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Apr 30, 2019 21:06:59 GMT
Ansel Elgort commands $5 million
IN WHAT FUCKING WORLD IS HE WORTH $5M?!
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Post by sirchuck23 on Apr 30, 2019 21:27:51 GMT
Denzel trying to get that Netflix bread. “You want me to headline Triple Frontier”? “Gonna cost you $30 mil”. Seriously though, glad he turned that down for Roman J Israel Esq.
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Post by jakesully on May 1, 2019 1:44:54 GMT
God damn these types of articles always make me feel so poor lol.
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Post by MsMovieStar on May 1, 2019 2:10:56 GMT
Oh honey, is Kristen Stewart only getting $7 per hour?
She is so not worth it!
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Post by iheartamyadams on May 1, 2019 2:47:45 GMT
Lol asking for 30 to do a 50-60 million budgeted ensemble film is pure madness. That was a huge stretch, even with Netflix overpaying stars for their films.
I’m also shocked that Reynolds can command that much. He’s had a few hits recently and has another sure fire one o. The way, but I don’t know that I’d call him a consistent draw just yet.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 1, 2019 9:27:30 GMT
Netflix are nouveaux rich. They can and often will pay way above market value for talent to prove the power of their brand. Ryan Reynolds would never get paid anything close to that in a studio film with a theatrical release (unless it's a Deadpool film). Reynolds knows it, the whole industry knows it. But because Netflix are the ultimate clout chasers, they'll pay Reynolds far above his market value (in a non-Deadpool project) just so they can say "movie stars" are picking them over theatrical release studios. Nowhere but Netflix would pay Reynolds that for a non-Deadpool film. Netflix are 12 billion in debt because they can overspend without fear of consequence.
For Netflix, it's all about clout. They are going to lose shitload of money on The Irishman, but they don't care. They can say Martin Scorsese comes to them now to make his signature gangster films (and maybe they get some Oscars out of it as well).
In that instance, someone like Denzel Washington is well within reason to ask Netflix for 30 mill (or more), because everyone knows their business model. Outside of Deadpool, Washington's market value and clout is infinitely higher than someone like Reynolds. The "clout" Netflix would get from having a Denzel movie as a Netflix original would leave Netflix execs salivating. Knowing Netflix, they probably would have paid Denzel that amount and adjusted the budget for Triple Frontier accordingly.
Washington isn't driven by money though (but he knows his worth, and doesn't do charity work for major corporations), so I'm not surprised he passed. But for a company that chases clout like Netflix, getting Denzel would be like finding a gold mine. Denzel choosing Netflix over a traditional studio really strengthens their brand, and that is what they are all about. He probably could have negotatied a few million more than 30 mill. 30 million is cheap to Netflix for the amount of clout he comes with (certainly worth far more than the 27 million Reynolds got paid).
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Post by TerryMontana on May 1, 2019 16:05:38 GMT
Downey JR gets 20 mil. for Dr. Dolittle??? wtf...
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Post by Pavan on May 1, 2019 19:07:44 GMT
Downey JR gets 20 mil. for Dr. Dolittle??? wtf... I read somewhere that he got $75m for Endgame. Not sure if it's true.
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Post by TerryMontana on May 1, 2019 19:13:35 GMT
Downey JR gets 20 mil. for Dr. Dolittle??? wtf... I read somewhere that he got $75m for Endgame. Not sure if it's true. Seems unreal.
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Post by Pavan on May 2, 2019 8:25:38 GMT
I read somewhere that he got $75m for Endgame. Not sure if it's true. Seems unreal. www.imdb.com/list/ls047175105/videoplayer/vi468761625
Russos revealed that Downey has a base camp that includes trailers and he would host lunches everyday. He is literally Tony Stark.
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Post by TerryMontana on May 2, 2019 10:09:51 GMT
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Post by HELENA MARIA on May 2, 2019 12:22:48 GMT
Damn! I wish I had that kind of money and so does MsMovieStar (I tell her all the time to quit porn to become a serious actress but she won't listen😕)
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Post by iheartamyadams on May 2, 2019 16:37:32 GMT
Netflix are nouveaux rich. They can and often will pay way above market value for talent to prove the power of their brand. Ryan Reynolds would never get paid anything close to that in a studio film with a theatrical release (unless it's a Deadpool film). Reynolds knows it, the whole industry knows it. But because Netflix are the ultimate clout chasers, they'll pay Reynolds far above his market value (in a non-Deadpool project) just so they can say "movie stars" are picking them over theatrical release studios. Nowhere but Netflix would pay Reynolds that for a non-Deadpool film. Netflix are 12 billion in debt because they can overspend without fear of consequence. For Netflix, it's all about clout. They are going to lose shitload of money on The Irishman, but they don't care. They can say Martin Scorsese comes to them now to make his signature gangster films (and maybe they get some Oscars out of it as well). In that instance, someone like Denzel Washington is well within reason to ask Netflix for 30 mill (or more), because everyone knows their business model. Outside of Deadpool, Washington's market value and clout is infinitely higher than someone like Reynolds. The "clout" Netflix would get from having a Denzel movie as a Netflix original would leave Netflix execs salivating. Knowing Netflix, they probably would have paid Denzel that amount and adjusted the budget for Triple Frontier accordingly. Washington isn't driven by money though (but he knows his worth, and doesn't do charity work for major corporations), so I'm not surprised he passed. But for a company that chases clout like Netflix, getting Denzel would be like finding a gold mine. Denzel choosing Netflix over a traditional studio really strengthens their brand, and that is what they are all about. He probably could have negotatied a few million more than 30 mill. 30 million is cheap to Netflix for the amount of clout he comes with (certainly worth far more than the 27 million Reynolds got paid). I’ve read the contrary actually on Netflix being rich, they’re actually in considerable dept per reputable sources like Variety, but you’re right otherwise. The salaries for Will Smith and Ryan Reynolds suggest they have a history of overpaying stars for whatever reason. I think I reacted to the Denzel proposed salary because I’ve seen the film, it doesn’t have a blockbuster budget (which at least the Bright sequel and Michael Bay film will have) and he would’ve been a quasi lead in Triple Frontier at best. I am still kind of floored by that asking price and I wonder if they would have actually been willing to give it to him (the article refuted that an offer was made to him at that asking price). I think I’m just confused by Netflix in general. They’ve bagged megastars like Brad Pitt, Sandra Bullock (in a film that provided recorded breaking first week streaming numbers), Will Smith, Jennifer Aniston, Ben Affleck, Meryl Streep as well as heavy weight directors like Alfonso Cuaron, Martin Scorsese, Steven Soderbergh ect embracing them with their films. They’ve arrived from an awards and star power standpoint from what I can tell. I don’t understand what appears to be desperation at this point. They came close to winning BP with a FL black and white film. They’re “in”.
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Post by iheartamyadams on May 2, 2019 16:51:57 GMT
Also, I don’t know what Reynolds is up to now per film, but an agent worth their salt could probably command a pretty high salary at this point. Deadpool was by no means considered a sure bet, which is why it took more than a decade to even get made. There was a lot of trepidation about the film being R-rated because there wasn’t anything prior to point towards that functioned as a blockbuster at the box office. Also, he followed that up with The Hitman’s Bodyguard.. A poorly reviewed film released in a month where films usually go to die. It opened to over 20 million, managed to stay #1 for nearly an entire month and ended up marking 180 million WW on a 30 million dollar budget. Following Deadpool up with something like that sort of legitimized him as a draw in Hollywood I’d imagine. He’d also been in a number of successes with bigger stars like Washington and Bullock, so yeah it’s not hard for me to imagine he’d probably be in the 15-20 million range, esp after the Pokémon film.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 2, 2019 17:15:27 GMT
Sam Jackson takes just as much credit for The Hitman's Bodyguard, if not more. That film was so heavily marketed off his persona, which is iconic at this point. Jackson is a movie star. Just because he takes a lot of ensemble and supporting roles, doesn't mean he can't be a big draw as a lead or co-lead in a film tailored to the persona audiences know and love him for. Jackson didn't get featured so heavily in the marketing for Captain Marvel because audiences don't care about him.
Reynolds movie just before The Hitman's Bodyguard, Life co-starring Jake Gyllenhaal did poorly and lost money. Reynolds needed an audience appealing co-star in Jackson to have a quasi-hit outside Deadpool. And even The Hitman's Bodyguard wasn't a big enough hit to justify that ridiculous Netflix salary.
I guess based on name/face recogniton and Deadpool clout and various successes with more popular co-stars, an agent should be able to negotiate a salary between 10 to 12 million for a commercial studio film with a decent sized budget. But anything more than that, especially with Reynolds as the main headliner in a non-Deadpool film is awful business for a theatrical release studio.
Netflix didn't just overpay for Reynolds. They overpayed him spectacularly. Outside of Deadpool, he is demonstrably not a big enough draw by himself to justify what they paid him. It's true insanity.
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Post by stephen on May 2, 2019 17:17:04 GMT
I still think Downey should put his money where his mouth is and fund Mel Gibson's Berserker already.
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Post by iheartamyadams on May 2, 2019 17:22:01 GMT
Sam Jackson takes just as much credit for The Hitman's Bodyguard, if not more. That film was so heavily marketed off his persona, which is iconic at this point. Jackson is a movie star. Just because he takes a lot of ensemble and supporting roles, doesn't mean he can't be a big draw as a lead or co-lead in a film tailored to the persona audiences know and love him for. Jackson didn't get featured so heavily in the marketing for Captain Marvel because audiences don't care about him. Reynolds movie just before The Hitman's Bodyguard, Life co-starring Jake Gyllenhaal did poorly and lost money. Reynolds needed an audience appealing co-star in Jackson to have a quasi-hit outside Deadpool. And even The Hitman's Bodyguard wasn't a big enough hit to justify that ridiculous Netflix salary. I guess based on name/face recogniton and Deadpool clout and various successes with more popular co-stars, an agent should be able to negotiate a salary between 10 to 12 million for a commercial studio film with a decent sized budget. But anything more than that, especially with Reynolds as the main headliner in a non-Deadpool film is awful business for a theatrical release studio. Netflix didn't just overpay for Reynolds. They overpayed him spectacularly. Outside of Deadpool, he is demonstrably not a big enough draw by himself to justify what they paid him. It's true insanity. Yeah, I would definitely have to disagree with that. Samuel L. Jackson is not a box office draw by any means and there’s nothing to suggest that he has ever been able to draw crowds. He’s a reliable supporting player and a name, sure, but his headliner/co-headliner track record is abysmal. We don’t have a way of knowing for sure, but I’d be surprised if the masses within the industry saw that as his hit, esp since it came right after the insane hype of Deadpool. Reynolds got top billing for it too FWIW
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Post by pupdurcs on May 2, 2019 17:28:00 GMT
Netflix are nouveaux rich. They can and often will pay way above market value for talent to prove the power of their brand. Ryan Reynolds would never get paid anything close to that in a studio film with a theatrical release (unless it's a Deadpool film). Reynolds knows it, the whole industry knows it. But because Netflix are the ultimate clout chasers, they'll pay Reynolds far above his market value (in a non-Deadpool project) just so they can say "movie stars" are picking them over theatrical release studios. Nowhere but Netflix would pay Reynolds that for a non-Deadpool film. Netflix are 12 billion in debt because they can overspend without fear of consequence. For Netflix, it's all about clout. They are going to lose shitload of money on The Irishman, but they don't care. They can say Martin Scorsese comes to them now to make his signature gangster films (and maybe they get some Oscars out of it as well). In that instance, someone like Denzel Washington is well within reason to ask Netflix for 30 mill (or more), because everyone knows their business model. Outside of Deadpool, Washington's market value and clout is infinitely higher than someone like Reynolds. The "clout" Netflix would get from having a Denzel movie as a Netflix original would leave Netflix execs salivating. Knowing Netflix, they probably would have paid Denzel that amount and adjusted the budget for Triple Frontier accordingly. Washington isn't driven by money though (but he knows his worth, and doesn't do charity work for major corporations), so I'm not surprised he passed. But for a company that chases clout like Netflix, getting Denzel would be like finding a gold mine. Denzel choosing Netflix over a traditional studio really strengthens their brand, and that is what they are all about. He probably could have negotatied a few million more than 30 mill. 30 million is cheap to Netflix for the amount of clout he comes with (certainly worth far more than the 27 million Reynolds got paid). I’ve read the contrary actually on Netflix being rich, they’re actually in considerable dept per reputable sources like Variety, but you’re right otherwise. The salaries for Will Smith and Ryan Reynolds suggest they have a history of overpaying stars for whatever reason. I think I reacted to the Denzel proposed salary because I’ve seen the film, it doesn’t have a blockbuster budget (which at least the Bright sequel and Michael Bay film will have) and he would’ve been a quasi lead in Triple Frontier at best. I am still kind of floored by that asking price and I wonder if they would have actually been willing to give it to him (the article refuted that an offer was made to him at that asking price). I think I’m just confused by Netflix in general. They’ve bagged megastars like Brad Pitt, Sandra Bullock (in a film that provided recorded breaking first week streaming numbers), Will Smith, Jennifer Aniston, Ben Affleck, Meryl Streep as well as heavy weight directors like Alfonso Cuaron, Martin Scorsese, Steven Soderbergh ect embracing them with their films. They’ve arrived from an awards and star power standpoint from what I can tell. I don’t understand what appears to be desperation at this point. They came close to winning BP with a FL black and white film. They’re “in”. Brands can't rest on their laurels. Especially brands in a constantly evolving market or industry. Remember Napster? They were once the hottest thing in music streaming. Remember Kodak? Once the hottest thing in photography. Netflix kicked off the streaming revolution, and had an advantadge because they were pretty much first and way ahead of the curve. But they are no longer the only game in town. Every company and their Auntie has launched or is launching rival streaming services. Netflix could easily become obselete if one of these other streaming services (Apple, Disney + and so on). I think that is why the air of desperation is still there. There is no loyalty to the Netflix brand from big name filmmakers and movie stars who work with them. They go to Netflix because the funds on offer are too big to turn down. But once other streaming services start offering competitive rates, Netflix could begin to fade. So I understand why they are not acting like they are "in". The streaming wars have just begun.
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Post by TerryMontana on May 2, 2019 17:44:53 GMT
I still think Downey should put his money where his mouth is and fund Mel Gibson's Berserker already. Would be very interesting if it ever happened. But it won't.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 2, 2019 17:46:52 GMT
Sam Jackson takes just as much credit for The Hitman's Bodyguard, if not more. That film was so heavily marketed off his persona, which is iconic at this point. Jackson is a movie star. Just because he takes a lot of ensemble and supporting roles, doesn't mean he can't be a big draw as a lead or co-lead in a film tailored to the persona audiences know and love him for. Jackson didn't get featured so heavily in the marketing for Captain Marvel because audiences don't care about him. Reynolds movie just before The Hitman's Bodyguard, Life co-starring Jake Gyllenhaal did poorly and lost money. Reynolds needed an audience appealing co-star in Jackson to have a quasi-hit outside Deadpool. And even The Hitman's Bodyguard wasn't a big enough hit to justify that ridiculous Netflix salary. I guess based on name/face recogniton and Deadpool clout and various successes with more popular co-stars, an agent should be able to negotiate a salary between 10 to 12 million for a commercial studio film with a decent sized budget. But anything more than that, especially with Reynolds as the main headliner in a non-Deadpool film is awful business for a theatrical release studio. Netflix didn't just overpay for Reynolds. They overpayed him spectacularly. Outside of Deadpool, he is demonstrably not a big enough draw by himself to justify what they paid him. It's true insanity. Yeah, I would definitely have to disagree with that. Samuel L. Jackson is not a box office draw by any means and there’s nothing to suggest that he has ever been able to draw crowds. He’s a reliable supporting player and a name, sure, but his headliner/co-headliner track record is abysmal. We don’t have a way of knowing for sure, but I’d be surprised if the masses within the industry saw that as his hit, esp since it came right after the insane hype of Deadpool. Reynolds got top billing for it too FWIW Outside of Deadpool, Sam Jackson generally has a better headlining record than Reynolds. I know it's de rigueur to act like some young, hot white guy is a box office megastar when he has one big hit off a superhero property, but Reynolds is just another "Chris" (Pine, Hemsworth, Evans) outside his franchise. Jackson is a legend, and adds major value in specific vehicles. He's never done huge numbers solo, but he has carried films to decent mid-range box office relative to budget (Coach Carter, Snakes On A Plane etc) Giving Reynolds excess credit for Hit man's Bodyguard (Especially when Life came out post Deadpool and flopped with fellow box office lightweight Jake Gyllenhaal) is white privledge at it's finest. He was co-starring with one of the most recognisable actors in existence. Reynolds hasn't proven shit as a draw outside of Deadpool. He still needs to. Netflix are overpaying Reynolds because the Deadpool franchise is huge and they want the clout of that association by proxy. It's certainly not because he co-headlined a movie with Sam Jackson that was a decent hit, but no blockbuster.
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Post by iheartamyadams on May 2, 2019 18:06:13 GMT
Yeah, I would definitely have to disagree with that. Samuel L. Jackson is not a box office draw by any means and there’s nothing to suggest that he has ever been able to draw crowds. He’s a reliable supporting player and a name, sure, but his headliner/co-headliner track record is abysmal. We don’t have a way of knowing for sure, but I’d be surprised if the masses within the industry saw that as his hit, esp since it came right after the insane hype of Deadpool. Reynolds got top billing for it too FWIW Outside of Deadpool, Sam Jackson generally has a better headlining record than Reynolds. I know it's de rigueur to act like some young, hot white guy is a box office megastar when he has one big hit off a superhero property, but Reynolds is just another "Chris" (Pine, Hemsworth, Evans) outside his franchise. Jackson is a legend, and adds major value in specific vehicles. He's never done huge numbers solo, but he has carried films to decent mid-range box office relative to budget (Coach Carter, Snakes On A Plane etc) Giving Reynolds excess credit for Hit man's Bodyguard (Especially when Life came out post Deadpool and flopped with fellow box office lightweight Jake Gyllenhaal) is white privledge at it's finest. He was co-starring with one of the most recognisable actors in existence. Reynolds hasn't proven shit as a draw outside of Deadpool. He still needs to. Netflix are overpaying Reynolds because the Deadpool franchise is huge and they want the clout of that association by proxy. It's certainly not because he co-headlined a movie with Sam Jackson that was a decent hit, but no blockbuster. I’m not acting like he’s a huge draw and I don’t think he is one, really. it’s about what I can envision his agents being able to negotiate based on recent numbers. Scarjo was able to command 17.5 million for Ghost on the Shell after an Avengers film and Lucy, despite zero commercial success prior. That’s how it works, you don’t have to have endless amounts of hits, you just have to appear to be on something of a hot streak and have a good agent. Re: Jackson, it isn’t a race thing at all, I just don’t see enough to support the idea that he’s an actual box office draw. There’s a huge difference between being famous and actually being able to draw crowds. Even the “modest hits” you mentioned are not actually hits of any kind. Snakes on the plane did not even break even in theaters, the other just barely so. Feels like we’re scraping the bottom of the barrel if films that didn’t even manage a 2x production gross are being considered modest hits. I’m not disputing his standing in the industry, but the reality is that one of them headlined a massive hit that shocked the industry and got top billing over the legend. I think that speaks volumes about how that film was viewed from a starpower standpoint.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 2, 2019 18:26:42 GMT
Shaft was a hit. Jackson was the only star of note.
It's getting a sequel this year. If that is a hit, who gets credit? Blaxpolitation nostalgia? Because Jackson is the headliner and isn't supporting anyone.
Deadpool is an immensely popular comic book character that's had an intense following for years. Reynolds pushed to make it happen, and good for him, but it's success is not about 'starpower'. It's about the character and the genre. And Reynolds will be eating off that for the next 15 years or whatnot.
I'm not acting like Jackson is some huge solo box office draw. He isn't. But he's got a modicum of appeal to audiences, and it's very much heightened by the right vehicle and with the right co-star's (similar to Reynolds, but I feel Jackson is more of an added value element to a movie).
Neither are massive draws, but take Deadpool out of the equation, and I'd rather have Sam Jackson playing a major role in my movie over Reynolds. Then maybe add a legit big draw like Dwayne Johnson.
Reynolds and Jackson are the type of "stars" that tend to do best with assists. Jackson couldnt have got Hitmans Bodyguard to be as successful without a likable co-star like Reynolds, but Reynolds couldn't have done it without someone like Jackson.
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Post by hugobolso on May 12, 2019 23:19:48 GMT
We live in a World where Winona Ryder and Sandra Bullock are the Queen of Netflix, and the aren't the best paid.
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Post by hugobolso on May 12, 2019 23:23:07 GMT
Shaft was a hit. Jackson was the only star of note. It's getting a sequel this year. If that is a hit, who gets credit? Blaxpolitation nostalgia? Because Jackson is the headliner and isn't supporting anyone. Deadpool is an immensely popular comic book character that's had an intense following for years. Reynolds pushed to make it happen, and good for him, but it's success is not about 'starpower'. It's about the character and the genre. And Reynolds will be eating off that for the next 15 years or whatnot. I'm not acting like Jackson is some huge solo box office draw. He isn't. But he's got a modicum of appeal to audiences, and it's very much heightened by the right vehicle and with the right co-star's (similar to Reynolds, but I feel Jackson is more of an added value element to a movie). Neither are massive draws, but take Deadpool out of the equation, and I'd rather have Sam Jackson playing a major role in my movie over Reynolds. Then maybe add a legit big draw like Dwayne Johnson. Reynolds and Jackson are the type of "stars" that tend to do best with assists. Jackson couldnt have got Hitmans Bodyguard to be as successful without a likable co-star like Reynolds, but Reynolds couldn't have done it without someone like Jackson. I'm not Reynolds fan. I consider him too bland, but he is Detective Pikachu. He is right now a Box office champ
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