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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 3, 2021 11:37:36 GMT
Up to 71 on MC and 82 on RT, perhaps we should all wait until more than like 15 reviews have been registered... ^.........indeed also maybe we stop thinking that the 6 people who saw this movie "earlyish" are the judge and jury of this movie's fate because they write for Awards Daily .........this movie still has a box office upside and if anyone had read the reviews you'd see a connecting thread where this "could" have a box office run that also rewards itself.........
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 3, 2021 12:34:11 GMT
Up to 71 on MC and 82 on RT, perhaps we should all wait until more than like 15 reviews have been registered... ^.........indeed also maybe we stop thinking that the 6 people who saw this movie "earlyish" are the judge and jury of this movie's fate because they write for Awards Daily ......... this movie still has a box office upside and if anyone had read the reviews you'd see a connecting thread where this "could" have a box office run that also rewards itself......... Does it though?? It's coming out on the same day as Spider-Man.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 3, 2021 12:51:58 GMT
^.........indeed also maybe we stop thinking that the 6 people who saw this movie "earlyish" are the judge and jury of this movie's fate because they write for Awards Daily ......... this movie still has a box office upside and if anyone had read the reviews you'd see a connecting thread where this "could" have a box office run that also rewards itself......... Does it though?? It's coming out on the same day as Spider-Man. good point, also true - which is why I used the word "could" (covering my ass, obviously, because you know that's totally a pacinoyes move ) - tbh it's very hard to know what will happen .......what constitutes a hit nowadays anyway........what does ToM need? What does DLU need? Just sayin' it clearly has a shot at the same audiences that have turned out for HoG - how many of them it actually gets though is anybody's guess ........... Just meant it's not DOA like Jordan Ruimy declaring this below in bold - from the comments section of his blog - is premature to me anyway and he posted that just yesterday........and if Nightmare Alley ends well (like it apparently does), audiences tend to let a lot of things slide and remember endings. I think the same sort of logic applies to Cyrano too (which I know ends well)........that isn't done yet either in this climate ..........Nightmare Alley is either "sort of like HoG" or it's "sort of The Last Duel" .......it will be fun to watch how it plays anyway......stakes are high Jordan Ruimy Thomas Anderson • 21 hours ago Technical, yes. The rest? No way.
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Post by Miles Morales on Dec 3, 2021 12:57:14 GMT
^.........indeed also maybe we stop thinking that the 6 people who saw this movie "earlyish" are the judge and jury of this movie's fate because they write for Awards Daily ......... this movie still has a box office upside and if anyone had read the reviews you'd see a connecting thread where this "could" have a box office run that also rewards itself......... Does it though?? It's coming out on the same day as Spider-Man. If the audience response is good enough, it still probably has a chance to perform well as counterprogramming to NWH thanks to the holidays and awards season hype.
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 3, 2021 13:31:37 GMT
I see where you guys are coming from, but the thing is, I don't think this will be any sort of a crowdpleaser. Not sure how well audiences are going to respond to a 2 1/2 hour film that is apparently pretty dark, drags, and only gets really good right at the end.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 3, 2021 21:37:21 GMT
Up to 71 on MC and 82 on RT, perhaps we should all wait until more than like 15 reviews have been registered... ^.........indeed also maybe we stop thinking that the 6 people who saw this movie "earlyish" are the judge and jury of this movie's fate because they write for Awards Daily .........this movie still has a box office upside and if anyone had read the reviews you'd see a connecting thread where this "could" have a box office run that also rewards itself......... This has now run off 13 straight positive reviews and is at 85% now off 26 reviews........ I gotta tell you as somebody who loves the book (an all time great book) - thought the '47 movie was compromised and timid - this sounds at the very least like something I might really dig ....... The critics consensus is fncking stupid atm - how could it NOT hit way harder than the '47........that's nonsense......I like the '47 and maybe this isn't as good but "doesn't hit as hard" .......nah, not buying it....... While it may not hit quite as hard as the original, Guillermo del Toro's Nightmare Alley is a modern noir thriller with a pleasantly pulpy spinwww.rottentomatoes.com/m/nightmare_alley_2021
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Post by iheartamyadams on Dec 4, 2021 1:47:11 GMT
Up to 71 on MC and 82 on RT, perhaps we should all wait until more than like 15 reviews have been registered... ^.........indeed also maybe we stop thinking that the 6 people who saw this movie "earlyish" are the judge and jury of this movie's fate because they write for Awards Daily .........this movie still has a box office upside and if anyone had read the reviews you'd see a connecting thread where this "could" have a box office run that also rewards itself......... 95% of the award plays have bombed and one of the things most agree on here is how bad the pacing is throughout, especially in the first half. I’m not seeing anything that suggests that the film will be a box office hit or be anything that audiences care about.
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Post by iheartamyadams on Dec 4, 2021 1:59:38 GMT
Erik Anderson ( AwardsWatch) doesn't think there are any exceptional performances in this, but Blanchett might get nodded on name recognition. Says he's glad he's keeping her at #9 in his Supporting Actress Predictions. "Cooper is kind of miscast and Blanchett has played this before. It's like her Cinderella's Wicked Stepmother meets The Talented Mr Ripley's Meredith Logue. She is fine, just uninspired".Anderson's take is what I suspected when I saw footage from this. Cooper did feel miscast and Blanchett keeps effectively doing the same thing over and over again for the last several years in different costumes, and keeps getting reflexively praised for it by lazy critics. She's coasting on esteem. Even when she's giving a good performance, like in Mrs America (which I still considered overrated) , it just feels like she's run out of ideas. I can’t stand Blanchett but I don’t understand why you continue to cherry pick through reviews of people you don’t like and run with the one or two that suits your agenda. It’s disingenuous and probably why you’re constantly involved in stan wars despite otherwise being pretty sensible. The majority of her ink is pretty stellar, nothing that you cited is consensus and I think you know that.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 4, 2021 5:26:37 GMT
Erik Anderson ( AwardsWatch) doesn't think there are any exceptional performances in this, but Blanchett might get nodded on name recognition. Says he's glad he's keeping her at #9 in his Supporting Actress Predictions. "Cooper is kind of miscast and Blanchett has played this before. It's like her Cinderella's Wicked Stepmother meets The Talented Mr Ripley's Meredith Logue. She is fine, just uninspired".Anderson's take is what I suspected when I saw footage from this. Cooper did feel miscast and Blanchett keeps effectively doing the same thing over and over again for the last several years in different costumes, and keeps getting reflexively praised for it by lazy critics. She's coasting on esteem. Even when she's giving a good performance, like in Mrs America (which I still considered overrated) , it just feels like she's run out of ideas. I can’t stand Blanchett but I don’t understand why you continue to cherry pick through reviews of people you don’t like and run with the one or two that suits your agenda. It’s disingenuous and probably why you’re constantly involved in stan wars despite otherwise being pretty sensible. The majority of her ink is pretty stellar, nothing that you cited is consensus and I think you know that. Huh? ....I never once claimed this was a consensus opinion or that the rest of Blanchett's ink wasn't strong (in fact, I deliberately alluded to Blanchett's ink being strong by pointing out that critics are reflexively praising her for repeating herself. And it would be no different this time. I'd say the same thing about a much older legend like Maggie Smith). If anyone has reading comprehension issues and thought it was my suggestion that Anderson's was some sort of consensus viewpoint, that isn't my problem. I saw this comment from a pundit/prognosticator I actually have time and respect for about the repetitive nature of her recent work, and decided I wanted to comment on it because it's the same impression I've been getting about her work in recent years, so it's good to know I'm not the only one seeing it. What is this now, communist Russia ? My "agenda" is to give my unfiltered opinion and views about actors/acting/film culture etc, and that will never change. Whether those views or opinions are popular or unpopular (as long as they aren't racist/misogynist etc). I don't really give a flying fuck if someone gets sensitive about me making comment about someone else's comment. I'll make comment about whatever I feel like, when I choose.
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Post by countjohn on Dec 4, 2021 7:13:32 GMT
^.........indeed also maybe we stop thinking that the 6 people who saw this movie "earlyish" are the judge and jury of this movie's fate because they write for Awards Daily ......... this movie still has a box office upside and if anyone had read the reviews you'd see a connecting thread where this "could" have a box office run that also rewards itself......... Does it though?? It's coming out on the same day as Spider-Man. Different audiences. Could see this doing House of Gucci type numbers with the adult awards season audience.
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Post by finniussnrub on Dec 4, 2021 12:15:08 GMT
^.........indeed also maybe we stop thinking that the 6 people who saw this movie "earlyish" are the judge and jury of this movie's fate because they write for Awards Daily .........this movie still has a box office upside and if anyone had read the reviews you'd see a connecting thread where this "could" have a box office run that also rewards itself......... This has now run off 13 straight positive reviews and is at 85% now off 26 reviews........ I gotta tell you as somebody who loves the book (an all time great book) - thought the '47 movie was compromised and timid - this sounds at the very least like something I might really dig ....... The critics consensus is fncking stupid atm - how could it NOT hit way harder than the '47........that's nonsense......I like the '47 and maybe this isn't as good but "doesn't hit as hard" .......nah, not buying it....... While it may not hit quite as hard as the original, Guillermo del Toro's Nightmare Alley is a modern noir thriller with a pleasantly pulpy spinwww.rottentomatoes.com/m/nightmare_alley_2021Also kind of a weird "consensus" to give, as have really a majority of the reviewers seen the original film? It isn't something like The Maltese Falcon in terms of notoriety (and honestly I'd bet there's many RT critics that haven't seen that film either).
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Post by iheartamyadams on Dec 4, 2021 14:40:54 GMT
I can’t stand Blanchett but I don’t understand why you continue to cherry pick through reviews of people you don’t like and run with the one or two that suits your agenda. It’s disingenuous and probably why you’re constantly involved in stan wars despite otherwise being pretty sensible. The majority of her ink is pretty stellar, nothing that you cited is consensus and I think you know that. Huh? ....I never once claimed this was a consensus opinion or that the rest of Blanchett's ink wasn't strong (in fact, I deliberately alluded to Blanchett's ink being strong by pointing out that critics are reflexively praising her for repeating herself. And it would be no different this time. I'd say the same thing about a much older legend like Maggie Smith). If anyone has reading comprehension issues and thought it was my suggestion that Anderson's was some sort of consensus viewpoint, that isn't my problem. I saw this comment from a pundit/prognosticator I actually have time and respect for about the repetitive nature of her recent work, and decided I wanted to comment on it because it's the same impression I've been getting about her work in recent years, so it's good to know I'm not the only one seeing it. What is this now, communist Russia ? My "agenda" is to give my unfiltered opinion and views about actors/acting/film culture etc, and that will never change. Whether those views or opinions are popular or unpopular (as long as they aren't racist/misogynist etc). I don't really give a flying fuck if someone gets sensitive about me making comment about someone else's comment. I'll make comment about whatever I feel like, when I choose. They can’t be praising her because they genuinely like her performance? What you’ve done here is sift though raves and settle on the one that provides confirmation bias. You even went so far as to slight critics as being lazy for praising her though you haven’t seen the film. It’s clear that you’ve already decided where you stand on this before seeing the work, you do this sort of thing quite often, and it’s frustrating to see someone who can be pretty great here struggle so much to be objective.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 4, 2021 15:12:31 GMT
Huh? ....I never once claimed this was a consensus opinion or that the rest of Blanchett's ink wasn't strong (in fact, I deliberately alluded to Blanchett's ink being strong by pointing out that critics are reflexively praising her for repeating herself. And it would be no different this time. I'd say the same thing about a much older legend like Maggie Smith). If anyone has reading comprehension issues and thought it was my suggestion that Anderson's was some sort of consensus viewpoint, that isn't my problem. I saw this comment from a pundit/prognosticator I actually have time and respect for about the repetitive nature of her recent work, and decided I wanted to comment on it because it's the same impression I've been getting about her work in recent years, so it's good to know I'm not the only one seeing it. What is this now, communist Russia ? My "agenda" is to give my unfiltered opinion and views about actors/acting/film culture etc, and that will never change. Whether those views or opinions are popular or unpopular (as long as they aren't racist/misogynist etc). I don't really give a flying fuck if someone gets sensitive about me making comment about someone else's comment. I'll make comment about whatever I feel like, when I choose. They can’t be praising her because they genuinely like her performance? What you’ve done here is sift though raves and settle on the one that provides confirmation bias. You even went so far as to slight critics as being lazy for praising her though you haven’t seen the film. It’s clear that you’ve already decided where you stand on this before seeing the work, you do this sort of thing quite often actually, and it’s frustrating to see someone who can be pretty great here struggle so much to be objective. What I've done is see a relevant comment from a pundit I take seriously and decide to dissect it based on my current views of her work over the last 6-7 years. It's called having a strongly held opinion. I'm open to my opinion being wrong and maybe I'll be shocked and Blanchett does something completely brand new or interesting in this film that I haven't seen from her. But I very much doubt it, as I've got enough evidence from her recent work imho (and what I've seen of her performance in footage) to suggest she won't be able to turn around that view with this particular performance. Still, you never know. Critics will praise her anyway. They always usually do, and there is plenty of evidence of that praise from other tweets posted on the thread. I'm not contradicting that. I'm giving my personal analysis of the state of her recent work and used that pundits tweet to discuss that point. No more, no less. I will sometimes say these things way before they are considered popular or even polite to say, and it might bother some, because I'm not a follower. But it pays off, because I'm often (not always) proven correct about these things, and you know it true. For example, on IMDB. when it was practically illegal to criticise Johnny Depp, I made it clear that I found his make-up and funny voice style of acting to be shallow and it would catch up with him as people would get tired of it. I caught a lot of shit for saying it at the time, but it eventually became a commonly held belief. That's just one example. Another is my stubborn belief that Nicole Kidman could pull off Lucille Ball, while 95 % of this board fell into the predictable Film Twitter mob mentality that she would fall flat on her face and relished in that impending failure. Rarely have I seen so many people disappointed that an actor got great notices and was seen to pull something off. Because it made them look foolish. I found it nasty and wondered of this board full of supposed " cinephiles" even knew much about acting or acting talent to disrespect the capability of someone like Kidman in that manner. Fortune favors the brave. I've never been afraid to criticise sacred cows or champion whatever I believe in. I speak my mind as I will, and that won't ever change. If you have a problem with it, just skip over my commentary.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Dec 6, 2021 2:36:08 GMT
Erik Anderson ( AwardsWatch) doesn't think there are any exceptional performances in this, but Blanchett might get nodded on name recognition. Says he's glad he's keeping her at #9 in his Supporting Actress Predictions. "Cooper is kind of miscast and Blanchett has played this before. It's like her Cinderella's Wicked Stepmother meets The Talented Mr Ripley's Meredith Logue. She is fine, just uninspired".Anderson's take is what I suspected when I saw footage from this. Cooper did feel miscast and Blanchett keeps effectively doing the same thing over and over again for the last several years in different costumes, and keeps getting reflexively praised for it by lazy critics. She's coasting on esteem. Even when she's giving a good performance, like in Mrs America (which I still considered overrated) , it just feels like she's run out of ideas. I can’t stand Blanchett but I don’t understand why you continue to cherry pick through reviews of people you don’t like and run with the one or two that suits your agenda. It’s disingenuous and probably why you’re constantly involved in stan wars despite otherwise being pretty sensible. The majority of her ink is pretty stellar, nothing that you cited is consensus and I think you know that. Lol. I remember when he did this same thing with Cumberpatch
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 6, 2021 2:39:22 GMT
I can’t stand Blanchett but I don’t understand why you continue to cherry pick through reviews of people you don’t like and run with the one or two that suits your agenda. It’s disingenuous and probably why you’re constantly involved in stan wars despite otherwise being pretty sensible. The majority of her ink is pretty stellar, nothing that you cited is consensus and I think you know that. Lol. I remember when he did this same thing with Cumberpatch You are such a fucking try hard This is literally the 2nd time in as many months you've tried to resurrect a dead argument I was having with someone else after it was clearly over. You are like that kid in class that enjoyed shit-stirring for the sake of it. The term bitch-made was invented for you, because I clearly live rent free in your stupid head. I get the concept of safety in numbers though. You see a couple of people coming for me in recent days and think it's safe to get your own licks in again. Good luck with that. I actually have some respect for those people, so didn't go in on them. You, I could care less about.
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Post by JangoB on Dec 7, 2021 12:20:52 GMT
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Post by quetee on Dec 12, 2021 20:19:27 GMT
Up to 84% RT now.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Dec 12, 2021 21:33:24 GMT
Now everyone that took it out of their BP predictions might need to shuffle it back it lol People seriously need to chill on overreacting to early reviews
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Dec 12, 2021 23:30:29 GMT
Now everyone that took it out of their BP predictions might need to shuffle it back it lol People seriously need to chill on overreacting to early reviews But @pattyhearst6969yomomma said that this was a flop and therefore it is!
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Post by Mattsby on Jan 19, 2022 22:50:01 GMT
Nightmare Alley comes to HBO Max and Hulu on February 1.
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Post by futuretrunks on Feb 8, 2024 4:01:41 GMT
I don't think we can really infer much from Borys' tweet. Leo choosing what he's going to do next doesn't mean he's nixed the other projects (as we've seen when he did WoWS first despite talking to AGI about The Revenant for a while before). So unless PTA and AGI were going to shoot their films this fall, Leo selecting the GDT film as his next movie doesn't rule out him doing either of those films afterward. He could easily shoot this in the fall, some other movie in Q1 2020, and then Flower Moon in the summer of 2020, or something like that. What's wild is the PTA film was this quasi-Vineland thing, not Licorice Pizza, the AGI film is a film AGI hasn't done yet (wasn't Bardo), so Del Toro is basically the only director who's had serious talks with Leo fall through in like 25 years.
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