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Post by Viced on Apr 23, 2019 21:33:44 GMT
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Post by TerryMontana on Apr 23, 2019 21:40:26 GMT
GdT has been planning this for years and I've been waitibg for this for years.
With Leo in it, I can't wait much longer.
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Post by bob-coppola on Apr 24, 2019 0:08:28 GMT
Can't wait! That's an offbeat duo that should be very, very good. Also, rumour has it that DiCaprio chose it over projects by PTA and Iñarritu, which is good 'cause it means they're also cooking up something new.
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Post by stephen on Apr 24, 2019 0:27:38 GMT
I'll believe it when I see it, because Guillermo announces ten projects for every one that goes through. But if he did indeed pick the script over one by PTA (someone he regrets turning down in 1997) or AGI (the man who got him his first Oscar), then it's certainly promising.
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Post by futuretrunks on Apr 24, 2019 0:46:57 GMT
He chose Titanic over Boogie Nights, not Romeo + Juliet or Gatsby.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Apr 24, 2019 1:42:43 GMT
Every time Leo announces a new movie, I never know what it means for his other projects in development. The Cartel and Devil in the White City recently went to TV.
Is Killers of the Flower Moon still next?
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Apr 24, 2019 1:45:46 GMT
I'll believe it when I see it, because Guillermo announces ten projects for every one that goes through. But if he did indeed pick the script over one by PTA (someone he regrets turning down in 1997) or AGI (the man who got him his first Oscar), then it's certainly promising. So does Leo to be honest. Curious what AGI has next.
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Post by Viced on Apr 24, 2019 2:05:47 GMT
Every time Leo announces a new movie, I never know what it means for his other projects in development. The Cartel and Devil in the White City recently went to TV. Is Killers of the Flower Moon still next? Starting to look like Roth meant later summer/early fall of 2020... Scorsese will be tinkering with The Irishman for as long as he possibly can before it gets released, and he won't be able to do both that and Flower Moon at the same time.
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Post by DeepArcher on Apr 24, 2019 2:11:29 GMT
Holy shit, there's a new PTA script circulating?
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Post by TerryMontana on Apr 24, 2019 5:27:53 GMT
I'll believe it when I see it, because Guillermo announces ten projects for every one that goes through. That's true. He had already announced about 15 different projects in the past few years and nothing really happened.
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Post by jakesully on Apr 24, 2019 14:57:54 GMT
Always up for a new Dicaprio film. Sounds interesting enough.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 24, 2019 15:12:57 GMT
Damn, Leo turning down PTA. Gotta be humbling to a guy who could get DDL and Joaquin Phoenix to commit to him multiple times. Wonder if Leo is also cognizant of the fact that PTA films rarely make much money. He seems to want to balance commercial success with prestige, usually in the same film.
Anything with Del Toro is automatically interesting though.
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Post by futuretrunks on Apr 24, 2019 17:27:35 GMT
Damn, Leo turning down PTA. Gotta be humbling to a guy who could get DDL and Joaquin Phoenix to commit to him multiple times. Wonder if Leo is also cognizant of the fact that PTA films rarely make much money. He seems to want to balance commercial success with prestige, usually in the same film. Anything with Del Toro is automatically interesting though. I doubt he thinks about that. None of Inarritu's films had broken $40 million domestically before he signed up to do The Revenant (which was before Birdman was released). I think he's aware that he's a box-office draw.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 24, 2019 18:02:41 GMT
Damn, Leo turning down PTA. Gotta be humbling to a guy who could get DDL and Joaquin Phoenix to commit to him multiple times. Wonder if Leo is also cognizant of the fact that PTA films rarely make much money. He seems to want to balance commercial success with prestige, usually in the same film. Anything with Del Toro is automatically interesting though. I doubt he thinks about that. None of Inarritu's films had broken $40 million domestically before he signed up to do The Revenant (which was before Birdman was released). I think he's aware that he's a box-office draw. Babel made 135 million dollars worldwide. More than Birdman, several years before. Inaurritu makes arthouse friendly films as well, but he has a higher box office ceiling than PTA. No PTA film has ever grossed more 80 million world wide (There Will Be Blood at 76 million). You don't get to be Leonardo Dicaprio without paying attention to the business side of things and crunching numbers before you accept a project. If the PTA script lacks any commercial appeal and does typical weak PTA numbers, it's Leo's bankability that takes a hit, not PTA's. Leo work with auteurs that have high box office ceilings or have at least the potential for it (ie Inarritu). You will never see Leo work with Jim Jarmusch, because his films don't make enough money. I think DiCaprio 100% would entertain the idea of working with PTA of course (so much prestige!), but I think it entirely depends on if he thinks the script has enough commercial potential to break out of usual PTA numbers.
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Post by iheartamyadams on Apr 24, 2019 18:06:11 GMT
Damn, Leo turning down PTA. Gotta be humbling to a guy who could get DDL and Joaquin Phoenix to commit to him multiple times. Wonder if Leo is also cognizant of the fact that PTA films rarely make much money. He seems to want to balance commercial success with prestige, usually in the same film. Anything with Del Toro is automatically interesting though. I know people latched onto to that tweet because everyone is salivating at the idea that there’s new PTA on the way, but is that a reliable source? I want to believe, but it’s interesting none of the more reputable sources backed that, retweeted, commented, ect. Also, it implies he turned it down but doesn’t specifically state it. Given Leo’s number of interviews about how he wants to work with PTA, I’d be really surprised if he completely turned him down in favor someone that he’s never mentioned much as a Director he admires or wants to work with. I feel like if that tweet is even true, DiCaprio is probably still in the mix for PTA’s new film. We’ve heard nothing about it so far, so it may be a ways away from filming, in early stages, ect.
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Post by iheartamyadams on Apr 24, 2019 18:27:10 GMT
I doubt he thinks about that. None of Inarritu's films had broken $40 million domestically before he signed up to do The Revenant (which was before Birdman was released). I think he's aware that he's a box-office draw. Babel made 135 million dollars worldwide. More than Birdman, several years before. Inaurritu makes arthouse friendly films as well, but he has a higher box office ceiling than PTA. No PTA film has ever grossed more 80 million world wide (There Will Be Blood at 76 million). You don't get to be Leonardo Dicaprio without paying attention to the business side of things and crunching numbers before you accept a project. If the PTA script lacks any commercial appeal and does typical weak PTA numbers, it's Leo's bankability that takes a hit, not PTA's. Leo work with auteurs that have high box office ceilings or have at least the potential for it (ie Inarritu). You will never see Leo work with Jim Jarmusch, because his films don't make enough money. I think DiCaprio 100% would entertain the idea of working with PTA of course (so much prestige!), but I think it entirely depends on if he thinks the script has enough commercial potential to break out of usual PTA numbers. I think this is a bit of a reach. Babel numbers are solid, but really not much more than that when you consider that it starred Brad Pitt, the only presitge star who is even close to Leo’s commercial viability. PTA hit 80 million with no box office draws, and that film actually outgrossed Babel domestically. That’s more impressive to me considering the lack of draw power. There’s was nothing on Inarritu’s resume that suggested he had any sort of commercial appeal, and certainly not on the scale of a 135 million dollar production. Leo was well aware that if the film were to recoup it’s cost, it would mainly be on the potential acclaim of the film and his box office pull. I agree with the poster above that at this point, he’s the draw and audiences trust his choices. Whilst he probably does consider commercial appeal, I don’t think he would turn down someone he’s stated he’d like to work because of it.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 24, 2019 18:34:03 GMT
Damn, Leo turning down PTA. Gotta be humbling to a guy who could get DDL and Joaquin Phoenix to commit to him multiple times. Wonder if Leo is also cognizant of the fact that PTA films rarely make much money. He seems to want to balance commercial success with prestige, usually in the same film. Anything with Del Toro is automatically interesting though. I know people latched onto to that tweet because everyone is salivating at the idea that there’s new PTA on the way, but is that a reliable source? I want to believe, but it’s interesting none of the more reputable sources backed that, retweeted, commented, ect. Also, it implies he turned it down but doesn’t specifically state it. Given Leo’s number of interviews about how he wants to work with PTA, I’d be really surprised if he completely turned him down in favor someone that he’s never mentioned much as a Director he admires or wants to work with. I feel like if that tweet is even true, DiCaprio is probably still in the mix for PTA’s new film. We’ve heard nothing about it so far, so it may be a ways away from filming, in early stages, ect. Just because he's said he'd like to work with PTA, doesn't mean he's going to say yes to any script PTA sends him. Actors as big and powerful as Leo don't just consider the director, no matter how esteemed, but the script and it's overall potential commercially and otherwise.I honestly think Leo would turn down something like Inherent Vice, because he would be aware of how hard it would be to sell. Even Denzel Washington has turned down scripts and proposals Spike Lee sent him, because he just wasn't feeling it for some reason. And those two have had a successful partnership for decades. In short, I don't believe Leo would work with PTA just because he's PTA and because he's expressed an interest in working with him. Still has to be the right project for Leo.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 24, 2019 18:44:01 GMT
Babel made 135 million dollars worldwide. More than Birdman, several years before. Inaurritu makes arthouse friendly films as well, but he has a higher box office ceiling than PTA. No PTA film has ever grossed more 80 million world wide (There Will Be Blood at 76 million). You don't get to be Leonardo Dicaprio without paying attention to the business side of things and crunching numbers before you accept a project. If the PTA script lacks any commercial appeal and does typical weak PTA numbers, it's Leo's bankability that takes a hit, not PTA's. Leo work with auteurs that have high box office ceilings or have at least the potential for it (ie Inarritu). You will never see Leo work with Jim Jarmusch, because his films don't make enough money. I think DiCaprio 100% would entertain the idea of working with PTA of course (so much prestige!), but I think it entirely depends on if he thinks the script has enough commercial potential to break out of usual PTA numbers. I think this is a bit of a reach. Babel numbers are solid, but really not much more than that when you consider that it starred Brad Pitt, the only presitge star who is even close to Leo’s commercial viability. PTA hit 80 million with no box office draws, and that film actually outgrossed Babel domestically. That’s more impressive to me considering the lack of draw power. There’s was nothing on Inarritu’s resume that suggested he had any sort of commercial appeal, and certainly not on the scale of a 135 million dollar production. Leo was well aware that if the film were to recoup it’s cost, it would mainly be on the potential acclaim of the film and his box office pull. I agree with the poster above that at this point, he’s the draw and audiences trust his choices. Whilst he probably does consider commercial appeal, I don’t think he would turn down someone he’s stated he’d like to work because of it. 135 million is nearly 50 million more than 76 million, which is the highest ever grossing PTA movie. Inarritu might not be Nolan or Spielberg in box office, but compared to PTA, even at 135 million, he might as well have been. It's not a reach. Hollywood is a business. DiCaprio is a businessman. He'll have read the script for The Revenant, seen it's expansive locations and "wildlife epic" potential, and taken a calculated gamble on Inaurritu being able to deliver a visually enough appealing film to be commercial. 135 mill as your highest grossing film isn't much in Leo-land, but it's enough to take a gamble on with all the other factors in place. Like I said, Leo is never working with Jim Jarmusch (low grosses, no standout visual stylings). He might work with PTA if he thinks PTA has a script that can break him out of his usual struggle box office numbers.
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Post by futuretrunks on Apr 24, 2019 19:07:34 GMT
I think this is a bit of a reach. Babel numbers are solid, but really not much more than that when you consider that it starred Brad Pitt, the only presitge star who is even close to Leo’s commercial viability. PTA hit 80 million with no box office draws, and that film actually outgrossed Babel domestically. That’s more impressive to me considering the lack of draw power. There’s was nothing on Inarritu’s resume that suggested he had any sort of commercial appeal, and certainly not on the scale of a 135 million dollar production. Leo was well aware that if the film were to recoup it’s cost, it would mainly be on the potential acclaim of the film and his box office pull. I agree with the poster above that at this point, he’s the draw and audiences trust his choices. Whilst he probably does consider commercial appeal, I don’t think he would turn down someone he’s stated he’d like to work because of it. 135 million is nearly 50 million more than 76 million, which is the highest ever grossing PTA movie. Inarritu might not be Nolan or Spielberg in box office, but compared to PTA, even at 135 million, he might as well have been. It's not a reach. Hollywood is a business. DiCaprio is a businessman. He'll have read the script for The Revenant, seen it's expansive locations and "wildlife epic" potential, and taken a calculated gamble on Inaurritu being able to deliver a visually enough appealing film to be commercial. 135 mill as your highest grossing film isn't much in Leo-land, but it's enough to take a gamble on with all the other factors in place. Like I said, Leo is never working with Jim Jarmusch (low grosses, no standout visual stylings). He might work with PTA if he thinks PTA has a script that can break him out of his usual struggle box office numbers. But him not working with a Jarmusch may actually be an aesthetic preference over any other consideration (i.e. he's seen some Jarmusch films, didn't feel over the moon about them, so doesn't seek him out). Woody Allen's Celebrity was not a big movie or a big role, but he did it because he wanted to work with a legendary director. If he turned down PTA, it would have everything to do with the role not being interesting enough to him, or a scheduling conflict.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 24, 2019 19:26:06 GMT
135 million is nearly 50 million more than 76 million, which is the highest ever grossing PTA movie. Inarritu might not be Nolan or Spielberg in box office, but compared to PTA, even at 135 million, he might as well have been. It's not a reach. Hollywood is a business. DiCaprio is a businessman. He'll have read the script for The Revenant, seen it's expansive locations and "wildlife epic" potential, and taken a calculated gamble on Inaurritu being able to deliver a visually enough appealing film to be commercial. 135 mill as your highest grossing film isn't much in Leo-land, but it's enough to take a gamble on with all the other factors in place. Like I said, Leo is never working with Jim Jarmusch (low grosses, no standout visual stylings). He might work with PTA if he thinks PTA has a script that can break him out of his usual struggle box office numbers. But him not working with a Jarmusch may actually be an aesthetic preference over any other consideration (i.e. he's seen some Jarmusch films, didn't feel over the moon about them, so doesn't seek him out). Woody Allen's Celebrity was not a big movie or a big role, but he did it because he wanted to work with a legendary director. If he turned down PTA, it would have everything to do with the role not being interesting enough to him, or a scheduling conflict. Allen was a legend who had huge hits earlier in career, even though his box office was fading at the time Leo worked with him. DiCaprio was still a young actor searching for serious acting credibility after Titanic turned him into a teen idol that was no longer being taken seriously as an actor. Woody gave him that cred. You can't compare his business/career decisions he made then, to now. He was in a different phase of his career. He doesn't need to work with any director now soley to give him much needed credibility. So other things matter more for him at this stage. Commercial potential, awards potential, the role itself whether he likes the script ect. Not just the director, though that is a major factor. It's no big deal. He's a businessman and and artist. He should be thinking about these things. The guys who don't think about these things before they accept projects usually end up like Nic Cage.
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Apr 24, 2019 22:55:45 GMT
I would say that guy is just reading the tea leaves regarding potential PTA & AGI projects. He, Borys Kit, works for The Hollywood Reporter, so maybe there's some substance to his story. On the other hand it's not that surprising that both of them are working on something. More interesting, if true, is of course that they're already far enough to think about start dates etc., especially in Anderson's case. But still, I guess Kit doesn't know much, if anything at all, about what they're talking about, so acting like DiCaprio is having his Sophie's Choice moment seems like bit of a stretch to me.
I haven't seen the original Goulding helmed adaptation, but if you read about it it's interesting to think about who else could be in the mix for this.
The Playlist mentioned the plan is to start shooting this fall, which would mean no 'Flower Moon' this year, which also wouldn't be that surprising at this point.
I never thought about DiCaprio being in a Del Toro flick, but it's certainly interesting. Carnival, noir elements, all the ingredients are there for a sumptuous production. Maybe a little too obvious for Del Toro, you can almost see how this thing is going to look like, but that's coming from someone who is dying to see Scorsese's next crime pic, so.
IF Anderson or Inarritu are indeed close to start their next projects, lets say in the next 12 months or so, then it's possible to look at it this way, DiCaprio saying yes to Del Toro means a no to the other two fellas. I think if Scorsese is able to get 'Flower Moon' to the point where he thinks it's worth it, and I can't see how that won't be the case, then DiCaprio is booked for the next 1 1/2 years. He's certainly not saying no to Scorsese who's in his late 70s. And if it's going to be that showdown of Marty's two most famous leading man, it will be a no-brainer.
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Post by futuretrunks on Apr 24, 2019 23:05:18 GMT
I don't think we can really infer much from Borys' tweet. Leo choosing what he's going to do next doesn't mean he's nixed the other projects (as we've seen when he did WoWS first despite talking to AGI about The Revenant for a while before). So unless PTA and AGI were going to shoot their films this fall, Leo selecting the GDT film as his next movie doesn't rule out him doing either of those films afterward. He could easily shoot this in the fall, some other movie in Q1 2020, and then Flower Moon in the summer of 2020, or something like that.
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Post by Viced on Apr 24, 2019 23:20:49 GMT
I don't think we can really infer much from Borys' tweet. Leo choosing what he's going to do next doesn't mean he's nixed the other projects (as we've seen when he did WoWS first despite talking to AGI about The Revenant for a while before). So unless PTA and AGI were going to shoot their films this fall, Leo selecting the GDT film as his next movie doesn't rule out him doing either of those films afterward. He could easily shoot this in the fall, some other movie in Q1 2020, and then Flower Moon in the summer of 2020, or something like that. Exactly... Plus, del Toro has had Nightmare Alley in development for YEARS. The PTA and AGI projects are both pretty early in development as far as we know. Highly doubt either of them will be filming at the same time as del Toro's film.
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Post by stephen on Apr 24, 2019 23:39:44 GMT
It should be noted that if it's true that DiCaprio turned down AGI and PTA to work with Del Toro, it could be simply a case of scheduling. Perhaps Guillermo's film fits in better with what is shaping up to a packed schedule, as DiCaprio has a few other projects in the works. I don't think we need to be denigrating PTA's box-office appeal just because of a nascent rumor.
It should also be noted that DiCaprio is enough of a box-office draw on his own merits that he doesn't need the directors he works with to be draws outside of him, and he knows it.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 25, 2019 0:08:50 GMT
It should also be noted that DiCaprio is enough of a box-office draw on his own merits that he doesn't need the directors he works with to be draws outside of him, and he knows it. I'm not sure how true that is. Yes, The Revenant was a big hit buyoued by awards season and the "Give Leo his Oscar" movement, but it general he works with filmmakers that have their own level of starpower (Nolan, Tarantino, Scorsese). It's a forumula that has paid dividends. Leo is undoubtedly a draw, but he packages himself strongly most of the time. Awards Season release + Brand Name Director is his usual formula. I don't think DiCaprio is like The Rock and can release any old piece of shit by some nobody and it's a guaranteed hit. His "brand" is about quality. You know he works with top notch filmmakers and he does films that get award nominations. It's the Tom Hanks methodology as well.
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