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Post by Joaquim on Apr 5, 2019 2:50:18 GMT
Randomly thought about this while looking at the Endgame opening weekend record thread. Obviously, Endgame is too big to fail. Let's get some more examples of movies that are too big to fail (at the box office at least), past, present or future. The new Star Wars trilogy would be one. I think most of us can agree that Solo: A Star Wars Story was too big to fail but as we all saw, it failed anyway.
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Post by chris3 on Apr 5, 2019 4:26:57 GMT
For the foreseeable future Marvel Studios will be the best answer to this. I can't see any of their movies failing anytime soon. Honestly these days I think any first sequel to a runaway hit that gets released within three years of the previous film is pretty much too big to fail. When was the last time that the immediate sequel to a near-billion dollar grossing film was a gigantic flop? Solo doesn't count since it was completely unrelated to the sequel trilogy episodes. Certainly there are those that underperformed, but flopped?
The box office for Episode 9 will be very fascinating. There's no way it'll be as pathetic as Solo's haul, but there must be some significant anxiety over at Lucasfilm right now. Foreign box office for Star Wars is almost nonexistent, a very significant portion of the fanbase is vocally dissatisfied with the creative choices of Disney (I say this as someone who personally LOVED The Last Jedi), and Solo has proven that the franchise isn't bulletproof. It needs to make at least a billion to be deemed a success, and depending on the December/January competition it might just struggle to do that if the overseas take is as middling as feared and/or the response is as divisive as (the great) The Last Jedi among fans.
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Post by JangoB on Apr 5, 2019 13:08:11 GMT
For the foreseeable future Marvel Studios will be the best answer to this. I can't see any of their movies failing anytime soon. Honestly these days I think any first sequel to a runaway hit that gets released within three years of the previous film is pretty much too big to fail. When was the last time that the immediate sequel to a near-billion dollar grossing film was a gigantic flop? Solo doesn't count since it was completely unrelated to the sequel trilogy episodes. Certainly there are those that underperformed, but flopped? The box office for Episode 9 will be very fascinating. There's no way it'll be as pathetic as Solo's haul, but there must be some significant anxiety over at Lucasfilm right now. Foreign box office for Star Wars is almost nonexistent, a very significant portion of the fanbase is vocally dissatisfied with the creative choices of Disney (I say this as someone who personally LOVED The Last Jedi), and Solo has proven that the franchise isn't bulletproof. It needs to make at least a billion to be deemed a success, and depending on the December/January competition it might just struggle to do that if the overseas take is as middling as feared and/or the response is as divisive as (the great) The Last Jedi among fans. I definitely wouldn't say that the foreign box office for Star Wars is almost nonexistent. I mean, come on - The Force Awakens made more than a billion in foreign alone, The Last Jedi made 700 million in foreign, Rogue One made 520 million. Solo's the only one of those films that we can call a definite disappointment at the box office but I think it'll stay as more of an exception to the rule. Even if the last episode proves to be divisive, I have zero doubt in my mind that it'll easily make that billion worldwide. It's the final traditional episode, the end of the saga. I'm sure even the folks who hated The Last Jedi will surely turn up for that. The Star Wars box office problem isn't overseas markets, it's specifically China, which is one of the biggest markets of the day, and to a lesser extent Japan. But overall the SW movies are doing very well in foreign so Episode 9 is guaranteed a billion+. |
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Post by Miles Morales on Apr 5, 2019 13:16:12 GMT
For the foreseeable future Marvel Studios will be the best answer to this. I can't see any of their movies failing anytime soon. Honestly these days I think any first sequel to a runaway hit that gets released within three years of the previous film is pretty much too big to fail. When was the last time that the immediate sequel to a near-billion dollar grossing film was a gigantic flop? Solo doesn't count since it was completely unrelated to the sequel trilogy episodes. Certainly there are those that underperformed, but flopped? The box office for Episode 9 will be very fascinating. There's no way it'll be as pathetic as Solo's haul, but there must be some significant anxiety over at Lucasfilm right now. Foreign box office for Star Wars is almost nonexistent, a very significant portion of the fanbase is vocally dissatisfied with the creative choices of Disney (I say this as someone who personally LOVED The Last Jedi), and Solo has proven that the franchise isn't bulletproof. It needs to make at least a billion to be deemed a success, and depending on the December/January competition it might just struggle to do that if the overseas take is as middling as feared and/or the response is as divisive as (the great) The Last Jedi among fans. I definitely wouldn't say that the foreign box office for Star Wars is almost nonexistent. I mean, come on - The Force Awakens made more than a billion in foreign alone, The Last Jedi made 700 million in foreign, Rogue One made 520 million. Solo's the only one of those films that we can call a definite disappointment at the box office but I think it'll stay as more of an exception to the rule. Even if the last episode proves to be divisive, I have zero doubt in my mind that it'll easily make that billion worldwide. It's the final traditional episode, the end of the saga. I'm sure even the folks who hated The Last Jedi will surely turn up for that. The Star Wars box office problem isn't overseas markets, it's specifically China, which is one of the biggest markets of the day, and to a lesser extent Japan. But overall the SW movies are doing very well in foreign so Episode 9 is guaranteed a billion+. It's not just China, it's Asia in general. After The Force Awakens, the Disney Star Wars films have failed to click with Asian audiences . For example, Solo earned less than even fricking Hereditary and Searching here in India (TLJ had a fairly positive reception here, mind you). Japan is the only Asian market which guarantees decent-to-good numbers for SW films. Europe is still strong enough to guarantee a billion for Episode IX. |
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Post by JangoB on Apr 5, 2019 13:22:38 GMT
I definitely wouldn't say that the foreign box office for Star Wars is almost nonexistent. I mean, come on - The Force Awakens made more than a billion in foreign alone, The Last Jedi made 700 million in foreign, Rogue One made 520 million. Solo's the only one of those films that we can call a definite disappointment at the box office but I think it'll stay as more of an exception to the rule. Even if the last episode proves to be divisive, I have zero doubt in my mind that it'll easily make that billion worldwide. It's the final traditional episode, the end of the saga. I'm sure even the folks who hated The Last Jedi will surely turn up for that. The Star Wars box office problem isn't overseas markets, it's specifically China, which is one of the biggest markets of the day, and to a lesser extent Japan. But overall the SW movies are doing very well in foreign so Episode 9 is guaranteed a billion+. It's not just China, it's Asia in general. After The Force Awakens, the Disney Star Wars films have failed to click with Asian audiences . For example, Solo earned less than even fricking Hereditary and Searching here in India (TLJ had a fairly positive reception here, mind you). Japan is the only Asian market which guarantees decent-to-good numbers for SW films. Europe is still strong enough to guarantee a billion for Episode IX. Just to clarify, I specifically singled out China because nowadays it's the biggest international moneymaker for big blockbusters and the lack of interest there significantly affects the SW foreign box office figures. |
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Post by Miles Morales on Apr 5, 2019 13:28:06 GMT
It's not just China, it's Asia in general. After The Force Awakens, the Disney Star Wars films have failed to click with Asian audiences . For example, Solo earned less than even fricking Hereditary and Searching here in India (TLJ had a fairly positive reception here, mind you). Japan is the only Asian market which guarantees decent-to-good numbers for SW films. Europe is still strong enough to guarantee a billion for Episode IX. Just to clarify, I specifically singled out China because nowadays it's the biggest international moneymaker for big blockbusters and the lack of interest there significantly affects the SW foreign box office figures. True. |
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