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Post by stephen on Nov 23, 2019 21:11:31 GMT
Bet against this at your own peril. BAFTA will go absolutely gonzo for this, and it will most definitely play well on the preferential ballot.
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Post by jimmalone on Nov 23, 2019 21:18:43 GMT
I really hardly can wait for it. Accidentally I just rewatched Road to Perdition yesterday and was once again in awe how perfectly this was directed and shot. I would just love if Mendes has come close to this height again - not to think of if some of the reactions above were right and he would have even surpassed it.
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Post by stephen on Nov 23, 2019 21:24:49 GMT
I really hardly can wait for it. Accidentally I just rewatched Road to Perdition yesterday and was once again in awe how perfectly this was directed and shot. I would just love if Mendes has come close to this height again - not to think of if some of the reactions above were right and he would have even surpassed it. You can't just "accidentally" watch that masterpiece, man. You were meant to see it again by a higher power. "I'm glad it's you."
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Post by jimmalone on Nov 23, 2019 21:26:35 GMT
I really hardly can wait for it. Accidentally I just rewatched Road to Perdition yesterday and was once again in awe how perfectly this was directed and shot. I would just love if Mendes has come close to this height again - not to think of if some of the reactions above were right and he would have even surpassed it. You can't just "accidentally" watch that masterpiece, man. You were meant to see it again by a higher power. Indeed. That higher power was my will.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Nov 23, 2019 21:28:30 GMT
Thomas Newman's score has been signaled out a lot in these reactions. Sounds like this could be the film that finally wins him the Oscar.
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Post by jimmalone on Nov 23, 2019 21:30:32 GMT
Thomas Newman's score has been signaled out a lot in these reactions. Sounds like this could be the film that finally wins him the Oscar. Would be amazing (if it's deserved of course). Especially if he and the also long overlooked Deakins would win for the same film - even if it would be Deak's second win already.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 23, 2019 21:32:27 GMT
Not a fan of Mendes usually (and I loathe Road To Perdition btw) but it is clearly a major threat for the big prize - it's drawback is getting actors support - an actor nod would go a long way to making believe in it as a BP winner - but I already kind of believe in it as a quality film with movie scope and wallop - which has been missing in most films this year.
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Post by stephen on Nov 23, 2019 21:36:02 GMT
Sounds like Newman's got the goods. Excellent.
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Post by morton on Nov 23, 2019 21:41:43 GMT
Not a fan of Mendes usually (and I loathe Road To Perdition btw) but it is clearly a major threat for the big prize - it's drawback is getting actors support - an actor nod would go a long way to making believe in it as a BP winner - but I already kind of believe in it as a quality film with movie scope and wallop - which has been missing in most films this year. Yeah, if the reviews live up to these reactions, it seems like the one to beat in DGA, BAFTA, and I think PGA too. With that combination even without the actors support, and possibly screenwriters because I don't know if the screenplay is getting nominated although Original does have at least one open spot, I don't know if one of the Globes + SAG + WGA would be enough to beat it. The only two films with that path that I see are Jojo Rabbit and Marriage Story, and both seem have a lot of cons. Jojo Rabbit feels too much like Green Book in the path that it would follow to win Best Picture, but at least Green Book had a guaranteed acting win and other than the screenwriting controversy, which obviously didn't turn into anything, I feel it was less divisive. Marriage Story seems really small compared to the other potential winners, and there still might be a Netflix bias.
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Post by JangoB on Nov 23, 2019 21:55:16 GMT
Friggin' ecstatic about the reactions and especially about all the Thomas Newman mentions. Never doubted this film, it's always been among my most anticipated of 2019, and I'm thrilled about such a reception.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 23, 2019 21:57:22 GMT
Not a fan of Mendes usually (and I loathe Road To Perdition btw) but it is clearly a major threat for the big prize - it's drawback is getting actors support - an actor nod would go a long way to making believe in it as a BP winner - but I already kind of believe in it as a quality film with movie scope and wallop - which has been missing in most films this year. Yeah, if the reviews live up to these reactions, it seems like the one to beat in DGA, BAFTA, and I think PGA too. With that combination even without the actors support, and possibly screenwriters because I don't know if the screenplay is getting nominated although Original does have at least one open spot, I don't know if one of the Globes + SAG + WGA would be enough to beat it. The only two films with that path that I see are Jojo Rabbit and Marriage Story, and both seem have a lot of cons. Jojo Rabbit feels too much like Green Book in the path that it would follow to win Best Picture, but at least Green Book had a guaranteed acting win and other than the screenwriting controversy, which obviously didn't turn into anything, I feel it was less divisive. Marriage Story seems really small compared to the other potential winners, and there still might be a Netflix bias. I would say it's Irishman vs. 1917 rather though - it's do they want to give Mendes a 2nd Oscar over Scorsese, I am saying nope they do not if any upset exists for DGA it's Parasite.........Irishman is getting 2 (or more?) acting nods so it's a big challenge if 1917 doesn't get any........Irishman is a labor of love film where 1917 may be scene as a technical stunt and we've had a lot of stunt films this year for good and bad. I don't see Marriage Story or Jojo as contenders tbh - but I haven't seen MS yet - just going on a surface level analysis but Irishman vs. 1917 "feels" right to me.......
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Post by quetee on Nov 23, 2019 22:03:48 GMT
Bet against this at your own peril. BAFTA will go absolutely gonzo for this, and it will most definitely play well on the preferential ballot. I agree. I've been voting it to win for the last two months in the monthly poll.
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Post by stephen on Nov 23, 2019 22:23:17 GMT
Bet against this at your own peril. BAFTA will go absolutely gonzo for this, and it will most definitely play well on the preferential ballot. I agree. I've been voting it to win for the last two months in the monthly poll. I still think Marriage Story wins due to the actor factor, but I think this is our big tech player and I think Scorsese is vulnerable.
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Post by LaraQ on Nov 24, 2019 0:09:19 GMT
I'm so psyched to read these initial reactions,sounds like this is about to shake up the Oscar race in a big way.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Nov 24, 2019 0:22:50 GMT
I agree. I've been voting it to win for the last two months in the monthly poll. I still think Marriage Story wins due to the actor factor, but I think this is our big tech player and I think Scorsese is vulnerable. The Irishman is a very actor friendly movie too though. So is Once Upon a Time too, come to think of it.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Nov 24, 2019 0:34:06 GMT
I have a hard time buying an action heavy war movie winning best picture no matter how acclaimed. Not even Saving Private Ryan could win and it doesn’t even look like Dunkirk was all that close. The last three war movies to win BP (Hurt Locker, Platoon, The Deer Hunter) where dark character studies about the effects of war on soldiers.
Director? Maybe... But it will be hard for anybody to win over Scorsese in this most acclaimed movie in 25 years. Especially when he already has one.
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Post by Pavan on Nov 24, 2019 6:00:31 GMT
Dunkirk got the 'best war film since..' reactions too. That said i don't doubt this film. It will be good and Deaks probably knocked it out of the park.
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Post by stephen on Nov 24, 2019 14:42:41 GMT
Dunkirk got the 'best war film since..' reactions too. That said i don't doubt this film. It will be good and Deaks probably knocked it out of the park. Dunkirk won three Oscars and probably could've done even better with a later release date. 1917 hit that sweet spot of getting late-season reactions without time for backlash and/or shinier, newer movies to eclipse it.
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Post by jimmalone on Nov 24, 2019 15:14:31 GMT
Dunkirk got the 'best war film since..' reactions too. That said i don't doubt this film. It will be good and Deaks probably knocked it out of the park. Dunkirk won three Oscars and probably could've done even better with a later release date. 1917 hit that sweet spot of getting late-season reactions without time for backlash and/or shinier, newer movies to eclipse it. Actually that could even work to 1917s favour. Some might think: It's long since a war movie won (2009, Hurt Locker) and Dunkirk was already worthy, but didn't win. Now it might be time to award this kind of film again.
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Post by stephen on Nov 24, 2019 15:18:05 GMT
Dunkirk won three Oscars and probably could've done even better with a later release date. 1917 hit that sweet spot of getting late-season reactions without time for backlash and/or shinier, newer movies to eclipse it. Actually that could even work to 1917s favour. Some might think: It's long since a war movie won (2009, Hurt Locker) and Dunkirk was already worthy, but didn't win. Now it might be time to award this kind of film again. Exactly. BAFTA will go gaga for it, the tech branches will embrace it, Mendes's direction is flashy and might challenge Scorsese (whose movie, despite its pedigree, might turn off some voters just for being too long and Netflix-y). The only downside is no direct actor support, but we never know what SAG Ensemble could do and I think Mackay is a BAFTA contender.
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Post by JangoB on Nov 24, 2019 16:07:31 GMT
I really think that Gravity and The Revenant are better comparisons to 1917 than Dunkirk. 1917 has already been described by some as the war version of The Revenant, and it has the same basic concept - a technical marvel movie about a character going through an ardous physical/emotional experience in order to reach his goal. Dunkirk didn't have a central character, no real story as such, and it had the time jumps. 1917 doesn't really seem particularly similar to any of that.
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Post by morton on Nov 24, 2019 18:30:13 GMT
I really think that Gravity and The Revenant are better comparisons to 1917 than Dunkirk. 1917 has already been described by some as the war version of The Revenant, and it has the same basic concept - a technical marvel movie about a character going through an ardous physical/emotional experience in order to reach his goal. Dunkirk didn't have a central character, no real story as such, and it had the time jumps. 1917 doesn't really seem particularly similar to any of that. Yeah I expect that awards wise it will follow a similar trajectory as those films have just going by reactions. Of course a lot of impressed people with the technical marvel, and many were also impressed with the actual story and characters, but there were some negative reactions like that it's like a video game or that it's impressive but won't win Best Picture that came out and even moreso today. I still think it will win Best Director and a lot of other below the line categories like Gravity and The Revenant/Fury Road, but something else probably wins Best Picture. I think that OUATIH and The Irishman will be hurt by the fact that there is a technical go to marvel film since I think their best chances were to go through DGA, and voter who favor films on a large scale in BP. So I still think it will come down to Jojo Rabbit (importance factor, TIFF winner) vs. Marriage Story (universal story pretty much everyone can relate to somehow, actors and writers may rally behind it) vs. 1917 (could still pull off the win if it wins DGA, BAFTA and maybe PGA, and there's no clear alternative if say Jojo Rabbit wins the Globe but loses PGA and SAG, and Marriage Story loses the Globe but wins SAG and WGA).
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Post by quetee on Nov 24, 2019 18:34:50 GMT
I really think that Gravity and The Revenant are better comparisons to 1917 than Dunkirk. 1917 has already been described by some as the war version of The Revenant, and it has the same basic concept - a technical marvel movie about a character going through an ardous physical/emotional experience in order to reach his goal. Dunkirk didn't have a central character, no real story as such, and it had the time jumps. 1917 doesn't really seem particularly similar to any of that. Yeah I expect that awards wise it will follow a similar trajectory as those films have just going by reactions. Of course a lot of impressed people with the technical marvel, and many were also impressed with the actual story and characters, but there were some negative reactions like that it's like a video game or that it's impressive but won't win Best Picture that came out and even moreso today. I still think it will win Best Director and a lot of other below the line categories like Gravity and The Revenant/Fury Road, but something else probably wins Best Picture. I think that OUATIH and The Irishman will be hurt by the fact that there is a technical go to marvel film since I think their best chances were to go through DGA, and voter who favor films on a large scale in BP. So I still think it will come down to Jojo Rabbit (importance factor, TIFF winner) vs. Marriage Story (universal story pretty much everyone can relate to somehow, actors and writers may rally behind it) vs. 1917 (could still pull off the win if it wins DGA, BAFTA and maybe PGA, and there's no clear alternative if say Jojo Rabbit wins the Globe but loses PGA and SAG, and Marriage Story loses the Globe but wins SAG and WGA). I just don't buy marriage story as bp.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 26, 2019 0:20:54 GMT
RT reviews coming through - 18/20 so far, 90%, Robbie Collin being his usual douchebag self but I digress........
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Post by jimmalone on Nov 26, 2019 8:57:32 GMT
Reviews are not quite as exceptional as they were for Dunkirk. 86 on Metacritic after 11 reviews.
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