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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 16, 2019 3:48:42 GMT
I know we are speculating on the Baxter role being a woman, but I'm personally hoping for Joaquin Phoenix. It'd be highly interesting to see his particular intensity play off Denzel's fire & ice mastery.
Phoenix has nothing announced after Joker either, so it seems his slate is clear.
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Post by iheartamyadams on Mar 16, 2019 4:56:18 GMT
Thrillers and this sort of thing can be pretty tricky to get right, directors can’t usually just coast off of letting their actors do the heavy lifting as Hancock has done. Take Tate Taylor for example, they’re cut from the same cloth, I’d even argue that he’s shown significantly more skill and is definitely a way better craftsman, yet his venture outside of his comfort zone with The Girl on the Train (more Fincher fodder) was an epic fail. That’s sort of what I’m expecting here, I just wouldn’t bet on someone who is barely even competent at making corny awards bait to craft a legitimately good thriller that is actually an awards contender. Especially not one how has nothing reomktely dark or gritty in their resume.
There’s always the possibility that actors elevate films and yeah, it’s likely even with someone like Washington involved. Still, Hancock is a truly bizarre choice and there’s nothing to suggest he’s going to be a good fit.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 16, 2019 5:41:52 GMT
Like I said, I don't quite get this Hancock slander. He won Bullock an Oscar, he's good enough for oscarbaiting Hanks, and he gave a resurgent Michael Keaton a terrific vehicle. He's a good studio craftsman, and it's a real shame if that can't be appreciated, because it's incredibly hard to make a single decent film, and this guy has 6 out of 7 critically fresh ones. The way some people talk about Hancock on this thread, I feel like if a terrific 1950's studio era craftsman like Anthony Mann was around today, people would be calling him a worthless hack because he wasn't Hitchcock. I also thought The Founder was terrific, far from corny, and a real step up in themactic ambition from Hancock. But I digress. Hancock is a more than competent filmaker, it's his passion project, and Denzel is famous for elevating everything he's in. And it's been proven that the Academy don't have to love (or even like) a film to nominate Denzel. I'm not saying Little Things is some Best Picture or Best Director threat if there is awards potential. But as a vehicle for another Best Actor bid for the big man....yeah, why not, if the role is there? All Hancock needs to do is point the camera at Denzel's face, and stay out of his way
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 16, 2019 11:44:35 GMT
Said it early in this thread Ali would be a delirious bit of appropriately daring big film casting and coup level casting too (in a lot of ways) as Baxter but I guess two African American leads with 4 Oscar wins between them is too much for people or something because I am blinded by the paleness of the casting options we are throwing out here (kidding, kidding).
As for Hancock it's always a struggle for writer/director guys and guys better than him even.....people may be more excited for the script with someone else at the helm but guys who consider themselves as people who do both hold tight to their work and Hancock I'm sure fancies himself an auteur - haven't checked his filmography but if he writes it, he directs it and that's something nowadays considering it's big budget, mainstream stuff with an A list lead. I mean he's minor to me but A Perfect World isn't and while most call it an Eastwood triumph that is something to latch onto from that script - lean and expansive, subtle but also rich - that might inform this piece (especially since its from that era also more or less).
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 16, 2019 15:20:51 GMT
To be fair, Hancock probably is an auteur, just not an experimental or revolutionary one. And to many, that means you might as well just be regarded as a "mere" craftsman (or hack). I'm sure you can find threads that bind his work in terms of his writing, interests, themes ("Americana") and characters...but he's not one of those directors with unique visual cues or styles, so that can be overlooked. I'm sure Cahiers Du Cinema or Sight And Sound will attempt to elevate his rep one day. I do think more respect needs to be put on his name. And he is indeed a very good writer, capable of nuanced work (forgot that he wrote A Perfect World). Ali has just done True Detective season 3....Little Things sounds way too similar. Don't think it'd be particularly inspired casting, especially right after he's done the season. At least McConaughey is several years removed from his True Detective stint. Another African-American lead might be interesting (and I'm all for it), but major studios still try to hedge their bets to attract different demographics in projects like this, so it'll likely be a white guy or a woman who plays Baxter. I'm throwing out realistic casting choices for an "A-lister" , not a random wish list. I think Phoenix could realistically happen ( he's A-list in the prestige sense, he's got a strong current WB connection, not currently booked and he's white ). John David Washington might be the sort of PR spinning casting that might get a studio to go for two-African American male leads though. I think JDW will work with his pops eventually, but it still feels a bit early in his movie career to be doing starring roles with his old man
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Post by stephen on Mar 16, 2019 15:25:37 GMT
Hancock is a perfectly competent filmmaker, and while I have no real love for The Blind Side, Bullock was very good in the film and salvaged it. But I am hoping this film is closer to The Founder (a woefully underappreciated 2016 gem) than that one, to be sure. His passion for this script does give me some optimism; hell, I'd love it if he could find a part for Keaton in this one, too.
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Post by iheartamyadams on Mar 21, 2019 14:02:15 GMT
Like I said, I don't quite get this Hancock slander. He won Bullock an Oscar, he's good enough for oscarbaiting Hanks, and he gave a resurgent Michael Keaton a terrific vehicle. He's a good studio craftsman, and it's a real shame if that can't be appreciated, because it's incredibly hard to make a single decent film, and this guy has 6 out of 7 critically fresh ones. The way some people talk about Hancock on this thread, I feel like if a terrific 1950's studio era craftsman like Anthony Mann was around today, people would be calling him a worthless hack because he wasn't Hitchcock. I also thought The Founder was terrific, far from corny, and a real step up in themactic ambition from Hancock. But I digress. Hancock is a more than competent filmaker, it's his passion project, and Denzel is famous for elevating everything he's in. And it's been proven that the Academy don't have to love (or even like) a film to nominate Denzel. I'm not saying Little Things is some Best Picture or Best Director threat if there is awards potential. But as a vehicle for another Best Actor bid for the big man....yeah, why not, if the role is there? All Hancock needs to do is point the camera at Denzel's face, and stay out of his way Here’s his latest, it’s a departure from his corny bait and it’s being panned. See, I was right as per usual! www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_highwaymen
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 21, 2019 14:16:43 GMT
Like I said, I don't quite get this Hancock slander. He won Bullock an Oscar, he's good enough for oscarbaiting Hanks, and he gave a resurgent Michael Keaton a terrific vehicle. He's a good studio craftsman, and it's a real shame if that can't be appreciated, because it's incredibly hard to make a single decent film, and this guy has 6 out of 7 critically fresh ones. The way some people talk about Hancock on this thread, I feel like if a terrific 1950's studio era craftsman like Anthony Mann was around today, people would be calling him a worthless hack because he wasn't Hitchcock. I also thought The Founder was terrific, far from corny, and a real step up in themactic ambition from Hancock. But I digress. Hancock is a more than competent filmaker, it's his passion project, and Denzel is famous for elevating everything he's in. And it's been proven that the Academy don't have to love (or even like) a film to nominate Denzel. I'm not saying Little Things is some Best Picture or Best Director threat if there is awards potential. But as a vehicle for another Best Actor bid for the big man....yeah, why not, if the role is there? All Hancock needs to do is point the camera at Denzel's face, and stay out of his way Here’s his latest, it’s a departure from his corny bait and it’s being panned. See, I was right as per usual! www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_highwaymenSo that means his film with Denzel will be panned? How does that logic go. Will Bob Zemeckis next film be panned because Welcome To Marwen was? He didn't write The Highwayman, it's not his passion project, and no disrespect to Harrelson and Costner, but they aren't Denzel, and don"t elevate projects like him. If anything, you can take a positive out of this. He's had a trial run on a more thriller-style project, so he won't be going into Little Things as a complete novice in that genre. He's got experience in it now, and can learn from any mistakes, like the good filmmaker he is .Combine that with Denzel, and a script he's had for 20 years that he actually gives a damn about, and there's reason to be optimistic.
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Post by iheartamyadams on Mar 21, 2019 14:24:19 GMT
So that means his film with Denzel will be panned? How does that logic go. Will Bob Zemeckis next film be panned because Welcome To Marwen was? He didn't write The Highwayman, it's not his passion project, and no disrespect to Harrelson and Costner, but they aren't Denzel, and don"t elevate projects like him. If anything, you can take a positive out of this. He's had a trial run on a more thriller-style project, so he won't be going into Little Things as a novice in that genre. He's got experience in it now, and can learn from any mistakes, like the good filmmaker he is .Combine that with Denzel, and a script he's had for 20 years that he actually gives a damn about, and there's reason to be optimistic. See my original argument about hacks venturing into the genre. Tate Taylor, Hancock ect. More times than not it just doesn’t work. Hancock’s The Alamo was also panned. I think he’s lost, without much creative juice outside of lifetime like biopics.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 21, 2019 14:40:17 GMT
So that means his film with Denzel will be panned? How does that logic go. Will Bob Zemeckis next film be panned because Welcome To Marwen was? He didn't write The Highwayman, it's not his passion project, and no disrespect to Harrelson and Costner, but they aren't Denzel, and don"t elevate projects like him. If anything, you can take a positive out of this. He's had a trial run on a more thriller-style project, so he won't be going into Little Things as a novice in that genre. He's got experience in it now, and can learn from any mistakes, like the good filmmaker he is .Combine that with Denzel, and a script he's had for 20 years that he actually gives a damn about, and there's reason to be optimistic. See my original argument about hacks venturing into the genre. Tate Taylor, Hancock ect. More times than not it just doesn’t work. Hancock’s The Alamo was also panned. I think he’s lost, without much creative juice outside of lifetime like biopics. Well since I'm only expecting a potential Best Actor bid out of this project anyway, I'm not losing any sleep over it. And that's if the role is there. Still, it's all too easy to sit behind a keyboard and call good filmmakers "hacks". That's not my vibe. At the end of the day, it's a new project with one of the best actors on the planet, and it's a passion project. We'll see how it turns out.
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Post by speeders on Mar 21, 2019 16:16:00 GMT
Here's the link for the script if anyone's interested: www.sendspace.com/file/1ym0zyIt's a 12 year old draft so hopefully thinks will be changed. Wondering if they'll keep the super 90s setting or update it.
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Post by sirchuck23 on May 13, 2019 20:18:51 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on May 13, 2019 20:30:04 GMT
Well that is 2 BA Oscar winners and add them together they are a Triple Crown winner.........if you look back on this thread I suggested Ali - so I "almost" called it - I just got the wrong Oscar winner - lol. That would have been so great but alas......
But it's hard to know what Malek brings - his career work is pretty small even though he is approaching 40 but definitely will call attention to the project .......
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Post by stephen on May 13, 2019 20:48:47 GMT
Shame they couldn't pick either Colman or King if they were going to go the route of picking newly-minted winners. I'd love to see the two of them against Washington.
Still, despite his win, Malek's a fine actor and I hope it's a strong part.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 13, 2019 22:58:56 GMT
Well, I was right about the partner being a dude.
It's certainly a statement of intent that they got Malek, a newly minted Best Actor winner for this role. This looks to be both a potential play for prestige and box office (if this comes out the same season as Macbeth, Denzel may have more than one option for a Best Actor bid).
Looking at the choice of Malek, I suspect my initial suspicion that Joaquin Phoenix was in the running for the role wasn't far off the mark. Both Malek and Phoneix bring a similar weird, off-kilter energy to their characterisations, that I can easily see both of them subsitutiing for the other in many roles. Malek would make an interesting Joker for example.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 13, 2019 23:14:31 GMT
Well that is 2 BA Oscar winners and add them together they are a Triple Crown winner.........if you look back on this thread I suggested Ali - so I "almost" called it - I just got the wrong Oscar winner - lol. That would have been so great but alas...... But it's hard to know what Malek brings - his career work is pretty small even though he is approaching 40 but definitely will call attention to the project ....... I was calling on an Oscar winner or nominee from the start, to up the prestige quotient. So no "Chrises". I think everyone was leaning in the direction of a prestige choice, just nobody thought to mention Malek (I guess people still see him more as a character actor than a cool leading man partner type). And I think Phoenix was a lot closer in both type and prestige to Malek than Ali. All carry prestige, but Phoenix and Malek are oddballs that could probably be cast in 85% of the same parts.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 1, 2019 19:27:57 GMT
That's 3 Oscar winners so it's impressive but I'm having a hard time assessing the vision for this project. Tbh I would rather DW got on with Macbeth ........like I said before this is like his ~10th+ cop or de facto cop.
Could still be good but I don't see the hook and I don't see it in his co-stars (not yet anyway .....Oscars, notwithstanding)
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 1, 2019 19:29:40 GMT
3 Oscar winners, eh. No bad, not bad....
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Post by sirchuck23 on Aug 1, 2019 19:42:20 GMT
Interesting..looks like the cast is filling out nicely! I bet Leto won't be trying to pull the crap he did with his co-stars on Suicide Squad on Denzel though..lol
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 1, 2019 19:51:35 GMT
Interesting..looks like the cast is filling out nicely! I bet Leto won't be trying to pull the crap he did with his co-stars on Suicide Squad on Denzel though..lol Of course he won't...lol! Denzel is the real deal as a method actor, not someone who does it as an excuse to have no behavioural limits and just generally act like a pest. Leto's behaviour and entitlement annoys the shit out of me, but he's a terrific actor (misguided Joker interpretation notwithstanding) and defintely amps up the prestige level of this project. So, this is very positive news. Says a lot about the ambitions of this project that even after getting Denzel and Malek, they are still going after Oscar winners to fill out the other roles.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Aug 1, 2019 20:04:03 GMT
Interesting..looks like the cast is filling out nicely! I bet Leto won't be trying to pull the crap he did with his co-stars on Suicide Squad on Denzel though..lol Of course he won't...lol! Denzel is the real deal as a method actor, not someone who does it as an excuse to have no behavioural limits and just generally act like a pest. Leto's behaviour and entitlement annoys the shit out of me, but he's a terrific actor (misguided Joker interpretation notwithstanding) and defintely amps up the prestige level of this project. So, this is very positive news. Says a lot about the ambitions of this project that even after getting Denzel and Malek, they are still going after Oscar winners to fill out the other roles. I agree. From these cast announcements and what I've heard about the script for this, Hancock has a good project on his hands. Funny enough, I think this project would've been perfect for someone like Dan Gilroy to direct, but he likes to direct movies that he's written the script for.
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Post by stephen on Aug 1, 2019 20:08:07 GMT
Leto would be great for this type of role, and I like that they are rounding up Oscar winners to populate this, but I still wish there was at least one strong role for an actress to take.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 1, 2019 20:11:12 GMT
Of course he won't...lol! Denzel is the real deal as a method actor, not someone who does it as an excuse to have no behavioural limits and just generally act like a pest. Leto's behaviour and entitlement annoys the shit out of me, but he's a terrific actor (misguided Joker interpretation notwithstanding) and defintely amps up the prestige level of this project. So, this is very positive news. Says a lot about the ambitions of this project that even after getting Denzel and Malek, they are still going after Oscar winners to fill out the other roles. I agree. From these cast announcements and what I've heard about the script for this, Hancock has a good project on his hands. Funny enough, I think this project would've been perfect for someone like Dan Gilroy to direct, but he likes to direct movies that he's written the script for. With the increasing prestige potential of this project, and the very obvious potential of Macbeth, do you reckon Denzel probably has his 9th Acting Nomination sewn up come next season? Seems like he may be moving his way to Jack Nicholson's Oscar record at a decent clip.
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Post by TerryMontana on Aug 1, 2019 20:27:46 GMT
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