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Post by youngserling on Mar 7, 2019 4:55:58 GMT
Emma Stone - 57:20
Olivia Colman - 49:48
Rachel Weisz - 42:51
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 5:45:44 GMT
They all should have been campaigned as Leading. I don't see any reason why Stone and Weisz couldn't have replaced Aparicio and McCarthy in the final lineup.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Mar 7, 2019 10:03:21 GMT
They all should have been campaigned as Leading. I don't see any reason why Stone and Weisz couldn't have replaced Aparicio and McCarthy in the final lineup. I loved all ladies in The Favourite to varying degrees and I absolutely agree that they are all leads, but I personally would have hoped neither Stone or Weisz would replace McCarthy in that Actress lineup. I'd have been cool with Weisz being a nominee, as she's in my #5, but boot Gaga or Close for her, not McCarthy.
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Post by Brother Fease on Mar 7, 2019 12:51:06 GMT
They all should have been campaigned as Leading. I don't see any reason why Stone and Weisz couldn't have replaced Aparicio and McCarthy in the final lineup. No, that would be impractical. There's only five spots for each acting category. You campaign all three for leading, then at least one of them will not get nominated. You spread it out, and you produce more nominations and more chances to win Oscars. Putting Colman as lead makes sense. It's about two women fighting over HER affection. Technically all three are leads. But when it comes to awards, it's all about what studios want their films to be nominated for.
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Post by stabcaesar on Mar 7, 2019 13:58:07 GMT
No, that would be impractical. There's only five spots for each acting category. You campaign all three for leading, then at least one of them will not get nominated. You spread it out, and you produce more nominations and more chances to win Oscars. Not to mention, the last time in which two lead actresses were both nominated for the same movie was Thelma & Louise. Had all 3 campaigned for best actress only Colman would've gotten in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 14:20:55 GMT
No, that would be impractical. There's only five spots for each acting category. You campaign all three for leading, then at least one of them will not get nominated. You spread it out, and you produce more nominations and more chances to win Oscars. Not to mention, the last time in which two lead actresses were both nominated for the same movie was Thelma & Louise. Had all 3 campaigned for best actress only Colman would've gotten in. There is absolutely no way of knowing that. It happens often in Supporting Actress because it's tried often there.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Mar 7, 2019 14:23:05 GMT
No, that would be impractical. There's only five spots for each acting category. You campaign all three for leading, then at least one of them will not get nominated. You spread it out, and you produce more nominations and more chances to win Oscars. Not to mention, the last time in which two lead actresses were both nominated for the same movie was Thelma & Louise. Had all 3 campaigned for best actress only Colman would've gotten in.Which would have sucked for Wiesz and Stone, but would have been great for the two hopefully actual supporting performances that would have gotten a nomination instead of them.
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Post by stabcaesar on Mar 7, 2019 14:26:49 GMT
There is absolutely no way of knowing that. It happens often in Supporting Actress because it's tried often there. In supporting categories yes, but in leading categories it's notoriously difficult to get both leads in. Let alone three.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 14:29:35 GMT
There is absolutely no way of knowing that. It happens often in Supporting Actress because it's tried often there. In supporting categories yes, but in leading categories it's notoriously difficult to get both leads in. The last time it was tried was what... 2010 with The Kids Are All Right? I have no doubt that both Blanchett and Mara would have been nominated as Leads for Carol - just to use one example. There are multiple others.
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Post by bob-coppola on Mar 7, 2019 15:07:54 GMT
In supporting categories yes, but in leading categories it's notoriously difficult to get both leads in. The last time it was tried was what... 2010 with The Kids Are All Right? I have no doubt that both Blanchett and Mara would have been nominated as Leads for Carol - just to use one example. There are multiple others. I'm not so sure about that. Between Vikander and Mara, the former would be the one to get in the Lead category rather than the latter - probably in Lawrence's filler place. Mara unfortunately couldn't even get enough votes to win in the Supporting category, and it's not like Carol was a juggernaut with the Academy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 15:23:02 GMT
The last time it was tried was what... 2010 with The Kids Are All Right? I have no doubt that both Blanchett and Mara would have been nominated as Leads for Carol - just to use one example. There are multiple others. I'm not so sure about that. Between Vikander and Mara, the former would be the one to get in the Lead category rather than the latter - probably in Lawrence's filler place. Mara unfortunately couldn't even get enough votes to win in the Supporting category, and it's not like Carol was a juggernaut with the Academy. I think Mara and Vikander would have replaced Lawrence and Rampling in the eventual lineup had the studios gone full-tilt with Leading campaigns.
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Post by bob-coppola on Mar 7, 2019 15:25:55 GMT
I'm not so sure about that. Between Vikander and Mara, the former would be the one to get in the Lead category rather than the latter - probably in Lawrence's filler place. Mara unfortunately couldn't even get enough votes to win in the Supporting category, and it's not like Carol was a juggernaut with the Academy. I think Mara and Vikander would have replaced Lawrence and Rampling in the eventual lineup had the studios gone full-tilt with Leading campaigns. Yeah, I can see the argument of Vikander replacing Lawrence, and Mara replacing Rampling as the passion pick.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Mar 7, 2019 19:50:47 GMT
They all should have been campaigned as Leading. I don't see any reason why Stone and Weisz couldn't have replaced Aparicio and McCarthy in the final lineup. That would have been extremely foolish. Things worked out about as well as they could have for the movie. Also films rarely get two lead nominees in the same catagory. Let alone 3...
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Post by stephen on Mar 7, 2019 19:52:56 GMT
They all should have been campaigned as Leading. I don't see any reason why Stone and Weisz couldn't have replaced Aparicio and McCarthy in the final lineup. That would have been extremely foolish. Things worked out about as well as they could have for the movie. Also films rarely get two lead nominees in the same catagory. Let alone 3... Only one film ( Mutiny on the Bounty) has ever gotten three nominees in the leading category, and that was before supporting categories were even introduced. There was no reason to campaign Weisz or Stone in leading because they would've siphoned votes off of their #1 horse (Colman). Yes, it's category fraud, but I don't think they actually cared about Stone winning because it was unlikely in the first place, having just won two years before. And Weisz, having the least amount of screentime, is a more palatable option to vote in supporting because at least there's an argument for it. They just wanted to maximize their nominations for the film, and they did.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Mar 7, 2019 20:27:29 GMT
That would have been extremely foolish. Things worked out about as well as they could have for the movie. Also films rarely get two lead nominees in the same catagory. Let alone 3... Only one film ( Mutiny on the Bounty) has ever gotten three nominees in the leading category, and that was before supporting categories were even introduced. There was no reason to campaign Weisz or Stone in leading because they would've siphoned votes off of their #1 horse (Colman). Yes, it's category fraud, but I don't think they actually cared about Stone winning because it was unlikely in the first place, having just won two years before. And Weisz, having the least amount of screentime, is a more palatable option to vote in supporting because at least there's an argument for it. They just wanted to maximize their nominations for the film, and they did. Also Colman likely did not win via landslide so adding the other two could have lost her precious votes through vote splitting that may have cost her.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Mar 7, 2019 21:37:09 GMT
No right or wrong answer but I still consider Stone to be the sole lead with Colman and Weisz supporting.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Mar 7, 2019 23:40:12 GMT
I was right justified to put Weisz in Supporting.
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Post by Brother Fease on Mar 8, 2019 0:14:09 GMT
That would have been extremely foolish. Things worked out about as well as they could have for the movie. Also films rarely get two lead nominees in the same catagory. Let alone 3... Only one film ( Mutiny on the Bounty) has ever gotten three nominees in the leading category, and that was before supporting categories were even introduced. There was no reason to campaign Weisz or Stone in leading because they would've siphoned votes off of their #1 horse (Colman). Yes, it's category fraud, but I don't think they actually cared about Stone winning because it was unlikely in the first place, having just won two years before. And Weisz, having the least amount of screentime, is a more palatable option to vote in supporting because at least there's an argument for it. They just wanted to maximize their nominations for the film, and they did.No disagreement here. Supporting Oscars were designed to recognize small roles in films. They were designed for Alan Arkin in Little Miss Sunshine and Argo, Jeremy Renner in The Town, Holly Hunter in The Firm, William Hurt in A History of Violence, Judi Dench in Shakespeare in Love and Chocolat, Mahershala Ali in Moonlight, and so forth. What it turned into was strategic placing by studios. Ethan Hawke had more screen time than Denzel Washington in Training Day, yet Warner Brothers put Washington as lead and Hawke as supporting. The most obvious case of category fraud/head-scratching was The Hours. Here's the recorded screen time: Meryl Streep - 42 minutes Julianne Moore - 33 minutes Nicole Kidman - 28 minutes Streep and Moore were submitted as supporting, while Kidman was listed as leading. With that said, it doesn't bother me. Most of the time, the placement makes logical sense, and done to accommodate actors/actresses in two different award-worthy films. In the overall picture, I do not understand the big hype about "Wrong category". Performer placement is only relevant when it comes to awards.
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Post by Allenism on Mar 8, 2019 14:59:41 GMT
They all should have been campaigned as Leading. I don't see any reason why Stone and Weisz couldn't have replaced Aparicio and McCarthy in the final lineup. Probaly due to neither being nomination-worthy, honestly. Category-fraud be damned, Olivia being in the fancier category felt correct.
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Post by filmnoir on Mar 8, 2019 22:25:29 GMT
Technically, all of them should have been Lead. But then Olivia Colman would not have won. The race for BA was likely very close.
Category fraud was a factor that was brought up with Supporting Actress. Stone and Weisz had a lot of screen time, but they were really lead roles.
Whereas Regina King was in If Beale Street Could Talk a lot less, but she had that supporting Oscar scene.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 8, 2019 22:48:22 GMT
yeah, beyond the intellectual arguments for all of them being lead, it would never feel right to me to relegate to supporting roles that make up nearly half a modest two-hour runtime, especially when they're all present throughout and at the film's most important junctures and in the general absence of other characters. This movie really doesn't have a large cast. The only ones driving anything or filling the screentime are the three ladies at its center.
Contrast that with something like Streep in Ironweed who I will always contend is a supporting role despite having a significant portion of screentime. One thing to consider though is that that's a longer film and Streep's character is virtually absent from the final 40 minutes of it as the film refocuses exclusively on Nicholson's relationship with his family and his haunted past. For that reason I'm convinced that if the role had been given to a relative first-timer instead of an established star at the top of her game, TriStar would have pushed the performance in supporting (although that's a different discussion for a different day).
None of that can be said for the ladies in The Favourite who collectively drive the plot in ebbs and flows from the film's first frame. I'm fine with anyone making the case that Stone or is "more" lead than Weisz of Colman (or however you want to read it) and I'm a proponent of that kind of thinking because the same can be said of supporting roles (they're not all of equal supportive significance), although part of it's a gut thing. I think there can be degrees of "lead-ness" (Cold War is an example of that IMO) but whereas a role like Nicholas Hoult feels is obviously supporting to me because he's in the background for most of the film and Lanthimos never frames the story within his perspective, Colman and Weisz are both driving forces in this story and Lanthimos dedicates much of screentime to their perspectives and motivations, which would be less of a factor if the film had been three hours and their screentime had remained the same. If that had been the case yeah quite possibly they'd be supporting, but it's not the case, and I've said it before and I'll beat that dead horse again--this movie is about a triangle of shifting power dynamic between three women, and no single point in a triangle can ever be less significant than the other two when the entire film is focused on what goes on inside that triangle from all three (I repeat, ALL THREE) perspectives. Their respective screentimes within the overall runtime reflects that.
They're all co-lead. That's the easiest most common sense assessment. Maybe Stone is more lead than the others, but they're all lead. Any other interpretation feels viscerally and acutely wrong to me.
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