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Post by bob-coppola on Feb 25, 2019 5:06:59 GMT
And this is how the Sunset Boulevard musical finally got made.
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Post by Zeb31 on Feb 25, 2019 5:44:54 GMT
Setting aside my own opinions, though, Colman winning over Close is actually pretty shocking.
Best Actress 2011 did come to mind as a possible parallel (Streep had Globe + BAFTA, Davis had SAG), but then again Davis actually lost the Globe because they were both in Drama, whereas both ladies got that boost this year, and Streep had the overdue narrative fueling her campaign, which Colman didn't. Close was the one perceived as overdue here, and in addition to that killer narrative she also had that neat Globe + SAG combo and loads of industry adoration throughout the season. There was also no backlash to speak of against Close and The Wife, which might've explained this last-minute surge. It must've been an incredibly close vote. I guess The Favourite being the stronger movie was the deciding factor, but even then I really didn't see this coming.
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Post by mhynson27 on Feb 25, 2019 6:29:37 GMT
Where's Tyler at???
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Post by Kirk-Picard on Feb 25, 2019 9:02:59 GMT
So Colman
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 25, 2019 9:24:24 GMT
#2 Colman #5 Close
I'm glad Colman won but I kind of feel bad for Close. That being said, I feel even worse for Collette who's my #1.
Close should have the Oscar years ago for FATAL ATTRACTION.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 25, 2019 14:57:36 GMT
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Post by stephen on Feb 25, 2019 15:21:09 GMT
Setting aside my own opinions, though, Colman winning over Close is actually pretty shocking. Best Actress 2011 did come to mind as a possible parallel (Streep had Globe + BAFTA, Davis had SAG), but then again Davis actually lost the Globe because they were both in Drama, whereas both ladies got that boost this year, and Streep had the overdue narrative fueling her campaign, which Colman didn't. Close was the one perceived as overdue here, and in addition to that killer narrative she also had that neat Globe + SAG combo and loads of industry adoration throughout the season. There was also no backlash to speak of against Close and The Wife, which might've explained this last-minute surge. It must've been an incredibly close vote. I guess The Favourite being the stronger movie was the deciding factor, but even then I really didn't see this coming. It's not really all that shocking when you think about it. SAG has always been the strongest precursor to go by, but it is hardly an infallible one, especially lately. But BAFTA has become much more indicative of the final Oscar tally in recent years than it had been, and while they are still predisposed to hometown biases, so too are almost every other awards body. And the Academy is much more international now than it has been historically. And nobody should ever take the Critics' Choice seriously as a precursor. But it is crucial to note that even as Close gained momentum, Colman never lost it. Close took the Drama Globe, but Colman won that same night as well. When Close tied for the BFCA with Gaga, Colman still won there (again proving the utter spinelessness of the BFCA in trying to have their cake and eat it, too). Even when Close took SAG, Colman took BAFTA a short time later. People just dismissed Colman out of hand because a.) Close had a great speech at the Globes, b.) Colman rarely showed up to any campaign events, and c.) they thought BAFTA favored her anyway because she's British so it "didn't count," even though BAFTA and Oscar have a lot of crossover members. I actually suspect that the closest correlation to this race isn't 2011 Best Actress, but actually the one that people were trying to make for a different category this year: the Rylance/Stallone race of 2015. Where most people thought that Supporting Actress would mirror that particular battle, Colman and Close fit that bill much more readily. You have a veteran who has never won despite having a long and storied career (say what you will about Sly, the man has quite the resume, and even though he didn't have seven nominations to his name, the narrative coalescing around him made it seem like he did) working the circuit like mad and giving great speeches, up against a relative unknown from across the pond who didn't campaign at all because they were working. People thought that Colman had given up the ghost because she didn't attend the luncheon, and a lot of people said the same about Rylance. And yet, what happened? It also helps if your film shows strength outside of your category, and The Wife didn't have any support outside of Close. Pryce couldn't get in anywhere despite the category being weak as shit, nor could the script or the film in any of the tech categories. Which isn't surprising, it's not that kind of movie, but the fact of the matter is that there just isn't a whole lot about it to drive people to see it except for the fact that its leading lady had a perceived overdue factor. Even The Iron Lady, a much more critically drubbed film, wound up winning a second Oscar in addition to Streep's. Another perceived veteran winner, Jeff Bridges, had his film pick up a second Oscar (and a surprise supporting nomination for his co-star) as well. I'd been saying all season that if Close was going to win, she likely would've needed to sweep like Moore did, and (more importantly) not have an alternative Oscar-less choice in her category. Because in the end, the Academy doesn't give a rat's ass if you're "overdue". The ghosts of Peter O'Toole and Richard Burton and Deborah Kerr and Thelma Ritter can attest to that. With that said, Close did very well to get as far as she did with the rickety vehicle she was in, and hopefully this spurs a quality filmmaker to bring a quality script to her in the future that might put her in contention later on. Even Geraldine Page needed to lose her seventh time (after being gone from the Oscar scene for almost a decade) to remind people of her status before she won the following year.
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Post by mrimpossible on Feb 25, 2019 15:41:16 GMT
My heart broke for Glenn. Everything pointed it to be her night. With that dress and the reaction idk it was painful to look at. She was great in The Wife and would've made a solid winner. But at least she lost to the best of the nominees.
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 25, 2019 16:50:05 GMT
So I guess Glenn Close can win next year like Geraldine Page did on her 8th nomination and Amy Adams can get double nods some other year and win then like Al Pacino.
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Post by TerryMontana on Feb 25, 2019 18:26:28 GMT
Hoped for Colman to win but didn't really believe it. Felt sorry for Glenn, she should have won one or two by now. Her reaction was heartbreaking, so was Olivia's "this is not how I wanted it to be".
Bonus to her win, Emma Stone's tearful "Oh my God, oh my God".
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Post by TerryMontana on Feb 25, 2019 20:55:48 GMT
That's very true. Hope she still gets another chance.
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Post by stabcaesar on Feb 25, 2019 23:50:57 GMT
Bonus to her win, Emma Stone's tearful "Oh my God, oh my God". She was like a proud mama
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Post by cinemagirl16 on Feb 26, 2019 1:07:24 GMT
I was going to be happy with either Close or Colman winning. Imo they had the two strongest performances in the category. Initially I thought "oh my god poor Glenn", but Colman's speech... she's just so genuine and endearing. It was a truly bittersweet win.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 16:43:37 GMT
Just now seeing this shade. I'm totally fine with Colman's win. I was shocked at first and I felt really bad for Close, but she is in such great spirits and is a total class act. Colman's speech was so heartwarming, appreciative, and sweet (the Lady Gaga, shoutout, lol) - it's impossible to be upset with her. And she is aces in her film. Always a plus.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 15:10:39 GMT
Setting aside my own opinions, though, Colman winning over Close is actually pretty shocking. Best Actress 2011 did come to mind as a possible parallel (Streep had Globe + BAFTA, Davis had SAG), but then again Davis actually lost the Globe because they were both in Drama, whereas both ladies got that boost this year, and Streep had the overdue narrative fueling her campaign, which Colman didn't. Close was the one perceived as overdue here, and in addition to that killer narrative she also had that neat Globe + SAG combo and loads of industry adoration throughout the season. There was also no backlash to speak of against Close and The Wife, which might've explained this last-minute surge. It must've been an incredibly close vote. I guess The Favourite being the stronger movie was the deciding factor, but even then I really didn't see this coming. I think what happened is that so many voters just assumed that Close would win, so they opted to vote for Colman instead. I liken it to the 2016 voters who chose Jill Stein over Clinton.
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Post by Javi on Feb 28, 2019 16:24:52 GMT
Colman. Not only is it a superior performance; it's a fresh and exciting win in what tends to be an obvious and horrifically predictable category (the "young starlet", the "overdue veteran", etc). This win is genuinely atypical.
Close does calculated subtlety well, but Colman was brilliant. And imo The Wife is an insulting film with a mind-numbingly stupid premise. The best actor in the world couldn't have done anything with it.
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