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Post by Sullivan on Feb 13, 2019 18:19:47 GMT
GG. SAG. BAFTA. No Oscar. Was the honorary award for Sidney Poitier combined with the fact that they could award Halle Berry and Washington as the first black female lead and second black male lead (Poitier came first, Washington’s predecessor as the first black man to win Best Actor in a leading role for Lilies of the Field in 1964) enough for Crowe to lose it that night, regardless of the BAFTA incident?
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Post by LaraQ on Feb 13, 2019 18:24:03 GMT
I honestly think he would've won if he hadn't lost his shit with that guy.People were genuinely disgusted by it and they weren't going to reward that kind of behaviour.His career hasn't recovered to this day tbh.
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Post by stephen on Feb 13, 2019 18:24:28 GMT
I think Crowe still would've had the slight edge, but the stars really were aligning for Washington that night, with Poitier and Berry getting recognized as well, and with the whisper campaign that the likes of Julia Roberts were whipping up in regards to how Washington still remained Best Actor-less. Plus Crowe had just won . . . but there really would've been no precedent for him to miss with that momentum, and if the BAFTA incident doesn't happen, then I just can't see a reason why they'd suddenly divert at the last second to Denzel. I think Washington was always close, especially with people who likely didn't feel like Crowe needed a second Oscar so soon, and BAFTA backlash just tipped the scales.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 13, 2019 18:29:30 GMT
Maybe - Washington's buddies campaigned very hard for him - see when they do it, cool, but when Sean Penn does it, it's just another example of why he's a dick  - It's always fine to do people. Anyway, he was really being pushed by Roberts (I am ashamed that I have a Best Actress Oscar and he doesn't have a Best Actor one! Wtf) and it was a dovertailing of circumstance. In the overall scheme of things I'm cool with it because I don't think Crowe would have been a deserving win - that's Wilkinson's Oscar of the nominees to me - but Washington over Crowe. Without BAFTA Crowe "probably" wins but not a lock, with BAFTA incident, oh well, tough break, way it goes........ |
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Post by jimmalone on Feb 13, 2019 18:34:37 GMT
Crowe would probably have won without his misbehaviour. People really don't like things like this and sympathy certainly can swing the pendulum into the opposite direction.
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Post by stephen on Feb 13, 2019 18:35:22 GMT
Maybe - Washington's buddies campaigned very hard for him - see when they do it, cool, but when Sean Penn does it, it's just another example of why he's a dick - It's always fine to do people. Because Sean Penn is incredibly sanctimonious when he decides to go on a "crusade," and that whole article he wrote comes off as a sort of self-serving puff piece, as if to say that he commiserates with Cooper's snub because he, Penn, has also felt snubbed because he has never been recognized for his directing prowess. You can campaign for your friends, that's all fine and part of the game -- but Penn seemed to take it from a place of friendly altruism and tried to create a narrative of victimization on behalf of a man who got three nominations in a given year instead of four, which is fucking stupid. |
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Post by ibbi on Feb 13, 2019 19:37:22 GMT
I don't know, but every year as I watch that lame ass 2 hour BAFTA highlights show with edited speeches, and half the awards summed up in 2 minutes at the end I look to the heavens, a solitary tear rolls down my cheek, and I ask "Where have you gone Russell Ira Crowe? Our nation needs you more than you will know".
But yes, it's an interesting one. He's the hottest star of the moment, his movie is Best Picture, and he's got all the precursors. On the other hand he didn't lose to just anybody either, you know? He lost to a popular guy with a bunch of nominations under his belt, an Oscar win that apparently everybody forgot about so he had gotten some overdue narrative going, and as the man himself put it "Two birds in one night, huh?" Between Halle, Denzel, and Sidney they were going all out, and it wasn't exactly subtle.
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Post by marvelass on Feb 13, 2019 20:04:55 GMT
Don't forget, at the time there was also an #OscarsSoWhite-type movement being spearheaded by Jesse Jackson and his Rainbow Coalition. When they made noise in 1996, it resulted in Cuba Gooding, Jr.'s triumph the following year. In 2001, it led to Halle's historic win and Denzel's Best Actor prize. In 2016, Jada Pinkett-Smith led the way, resulting in Oscar gold for both Viola Davis and Mahershala Ali. Incidentally, Jada attended the 1996 Oscars when Jackson et al. picketed. Even walked the red carpet with Will Smith who presented an award. Self-serving bitch.
IMO, Crowe would've won had he not assaulted the BAFTA producer. I think the Academy was already planning on awarding Halle, anyway, but once Crowe fucked up, it became irresistible to not want to make more history by having two black acting winners on the same night, as well as giving the Best Actor Oscar to a black actor for the first time in 40 years -- since Sidney Poitier, who just happened to be receiving an Honorary Oscar the same night! I think all of that fell into place in the two weeks betwixt the BAFTAs and Oscars.
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