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Post by Zeb31 on Feb 5, 2019 10:30:09 GMT
I fully expected another "Viggo Mortensen uses the wrong word to make a point"-type situation here, but this is truly fucked up. Jesus.
What possesses someone to make them think that this is a wise thing to just casually bring up during a press junket?
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Post by evilbliss on Feb 5, 2019 11:03:48 GMT
What is wrong with the man?
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 5, 2019 11:21:59 GMT
Meh - story may not even be true but he's so fncked up and high off the rush of making 827 (mostly) shitty revenge flicks that he can't tell the difference between a story that makes him sound haunted and cool (to him) and 3 fries short of a happy meal (to everyone else)..........or to hear Twitter tell it a story that makes him seem sensitive to females in one way but that upholds the patriarchy which would of course be worse than if he you know, actually did kill someone.
I never believed him when he talked about carrying Les Miserables around either (before he got the part, riiiiiiiiiight!) - he says a lot of stuff most of it wacky and eyebrow raising all in that fake Irish accent which he got from those racist, misogynistic, and patriarchal Irish Spring commercials that .........oh damn you Twitter!!
Grrrrrrrrr
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 5, 2019 13:09:32 GMT
Yes what Neeson said is no doubt awful and disturbing. However, he made the statement and through his own reaction admitted it was a wrong and dark thing brought on by a traumatic time in his life. He no doubt used this to reflect on his new role and make a statement publicly that these emotions and feelings are not OK so please, don't crucify the man yet. That was my impression anyway.
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Post by bob-coppola on Feb 5, 2019 15:55:52 GMT
Yes what Neeson said is no doubt awful and disturbing. However, he made the statement and through his own reaction admitted it was a wrong and dark thing brought on by a traumatic time in his life. He no doubt used this to reflect the role and make a statement publicly that these emotions and feelings are not OK so please, don't crucify the man yet. That was my impression anyway. That was my take from it as well. Disturbing story to tell publicly, anyways.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Feb 5, 2019 15:59:10 GMT
The most troublesome thing to me about this interview is Neeson talking about another individual's traumatic experience publicly (likely) without their permission. That's irresponsible at best and re-traumatizing at worst. If he wanted to maintain the focus on his specific experience, he could have kept it more vague or general rather than specifying his behavior was in response to a raped friend.
The rest of it, though, I'm not ready to make a stern judgement on. He's being open about feelings he himself states he was not proud of and thankfully did not fully act on. I don't think he expected to talk about it, so he didn't go in-depth on the racial element though he was forthcoming in broaching it - and I'm presuming the journalist didn't think to question him about it further in the moment since the story took her off guard, also understandable. He's going to catch a lot of heat, and not without reason because now that Neeson let the story out he should make sure he doesn't let the racism hang there in the public sphere. But as someone who's going to make a living out of listening to people confess their most uncomfortable, darkest thoughts and impulses, I can't condemn him.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 5, 2019 16:18:42 GMT
Yes what Neeson said is no doubt awful and disturbing. However, he made the statement and through his own reaction admitted it was a wrong and dark thing brought on by a traumatic time in his life. He no doubt used this to reflect the role and make a statement publicly that these emotions and feelings are not OK so please, don't crucify the man yet. That was my impression anyway. That was my take from it as well. Disturbing story to tell publicly, anyways. It was a terrible reaction to an awful incident. It was wrong on every level and nobody can blame a race or religion for the act of one person. People react differently to trauma, their own or those close to them and the way he dealt with this trauma is disgusting however; he is aware of this and by his own admission he is ashamed of his actions. Perhaps people should not be so quick to judge him for his immediate reaction to an incident and commend him for being honest. He did not attack anyone he's discussed his feelings at the time, feelings he didn't act upon. People are too quick to judge now and you're only allowed to voice opinion or feelings provided it doesn't offend anyone in a time when people are offended by everything.
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Post by mrimpossible on Feb 5, 2019 16:53:16 GMT
He admitted what he believed was wrong. I don't think this should damage his career.
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Post by stephen on Feb 5, 2019 17:12:41 GMT
The most troublesome thing to me about this interview is Neeson talking about another individual's traumatic experience publicly (likely) without their permission. That's irresponsible at best and re-traumatizing at worst. If he wanted to maintain the focus on his specific experience, he could have kept it more vague or general rather than specifying his behavior was in response to a raped friend. The rest of it, though, I'm not ready to make a stern judgement on. He's being open about feelings he himself states he was not proud of and thankfully did not fully act on. I don't think he expected to talk about it, so he didn't go in-depth on the racial element though he was forthcoming in broaching it - and I'm presuming the journalist didn't think to question him about it further in the moment since the story took her off guard, also understandable. He's going to catch a lot of heat, and not without reason because now that Neeson let the story out he should make sure he doesn't let the racism hang there in the public sphere. But as someone who's going to make a living out of listening to people confess their most uncomfortable, darkest thoughts and impulses, I can't condemn him. Once again, Mike comes in with the right way to view it. I understand people being so repulsed by Neeson's initial feelings and want to cancel him -- a phrase I absolutely despise, by the by -- but the thing is, Neeson himself recognized it was a horrible impulse and tried to move past it, because it's clear that it horrified him as well. This doesn't excuse that initial thought, but he did recognize it in himself and curbed it, and he condemns those feelings openly. It might not have been wise to casually mention it off-the-cuff the way he did, and it's certainly going to follow him around for a while (like a young Liam Neeson with a cosh in his pocket), but it's clear he wasn't proud of this and perhaps he felt he needed to exorcise that particular demon. I just think it should've been with a priest and not at a press junket.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Feb 5, 2019 18:07:21 GMT
Neeson did a follow-up interview on Good Morning America.Now that he was able to better collect his thoughts and respond to some of the criticism he received, I hope (but obviously don't assume) this can spark a more honest discussion about bigotry, violence, and how we individually and collectively respond to such hot-button issues. The impulse some have to cancel Neeson is itself a desire for revenge, holding him accountable as an example that such thoughts, thoughts that in other cases do result in the killing of black people like Trayvon Martin who would have been 24 today, are unequivocally wrong. But to have an honest public discussion on racism, that will require allowing people the space to talk about and process the racist thoughts they've had, especially if they're showing sincere regret and understand just how wrong they were as Neeson is showing here. It's a difficult, upsetting conversation and I empathize with those who may not want to have it, but if people can talk out these feelings instead of holding it in like a powder keg, it could save lives.
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Post by mrimpossible on Feb 5, 2019 18:56:08 GMT
Outrage over stuff like this is going to cause a backlash... People are tired of political correctness when everyone seems to focus on benign stuff like this. It's actually kind of dangerous cause it could become like the boy who cried wolf. When an actual racism comes out a lot of people might tune out and assume it's just the outrage culture.
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Post by hilderic on Feb 5, 2019 19:58:47 GMT
Where exactly did this happen? Belfast? Northern Ireland still has a microscopic black community (1,136 people according to the 2001 census) and I'm not sure black neighbourhoods existed there 40 years ago even in Belfast, let alone Ballymena. I just hope he didn't make this story up merely to connect with his upcoming film...
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 6, 2019 0:31:18 GMT
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 6, 2019 0:57:23 GMT
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Post by quetee on Feb 6, 2019 3:12:44 GMT
I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get it. Why in the hell would he share this story? Why did he think this would be okay?
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Feb 6, 2019 3:37:34 GMT
Again you idiots are getting twitchy over nothing.
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Post by Film Socialism on Feb 6, 2019 4:13:46 GMT
never liked this cuck lmao
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Post by AKenjiB on Feb 6, 2019 6:51:43 GMT
There have been some bad headlines for this story, often ignoring the fact that Liam Neeson told this story as a major regret of his. This isn’t Ralph Northam being caught in a past racist act and then dodging and making excuses. This is a man fully acknowledging and condemending his own behavior from 40 years ago. Especially worth considering what he did by all accounts essentially amounts to a “thought crime”. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for calling out bigoted and abusive behavior in the industry. Maybe Liam Neeson could’ve worded it better. Maybe it still wasn’t appropriate to share such a story. But can we at least acknowledge that this was Liam Neeson condemning something he did 40 years ago and that people can grow and change from their past behavior? I’m not the same person I was 5 years ago.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Feb 6, 2019 6:55:29 GMT
I... words... don’t...
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 6, 2019 7:20:24 GMT
There have been some bad headlines for this story, often ignoring the fact that Liam Neeson told this story as a major regret of his. This isn’t Ralph Northam being caught in a past racist act and then dodging and making excuses. This is a man fully acknowledging and condemending his own behavior from 40 years ago. Especially worth considering what he did by all accounts essentially amounts to a “thought crime”. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for calling out bigoted and abusive behavior in the industry. Maybe Liam Neeson could’ve worded it better. Maybe it still wasn’t appropriate to share such a story. But can we at least acknowledge that this was Liam Neeson condemning something he did 40 years ago and that people can grow and change from their past behavior? I’m not the same person I was 5 years ago. yeah but why even share it publicly in the first place? What the hell was he trying to accomplish? A press junket isn't a Racists Anonymous meeting for recovering racists. I don't care what he was thinking, he shouldn't have shared his past baggage in this venue. Makes no freaking sense how he thought this was a good idea. Also, I haven't seen anyone in this thread calling him a racist so I don't think the issue is that people don't think he's changed. Most folks from what I can tell are just baffled at this totally bizarre decision to share publicly this awful story that helps no one.
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Post by MsMovieStar on Feb 6, 2019 9:00:55 GMT
Oh honey, sometimes at these things it's better to say nothing, just show a lot of flesh... Fiji water optional.
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Post by AKenjiB on Feb 6, 2019 15:25:06 GMT
There have been some bad headlines for this story, often ignoring the fact that Liam Neeson told this story as a major regret of his. This isn’t Ralph Northam being caught in a past racist act and then dodging and making excuses. This is a man fully acknowledging and condemending his own behavior from 40 years ago. Especially worth considering what he did by all accounts essentially amounts to a “thought crime”. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for calling out bigoted and abusive behavior in the industry. Maybe Liam Neeson could’ve worded it better. Maybe it still wasn’t appropriate to share such a story. But can we at least acknowledge that this was Liam Neeson condemning something he did 40 years ago and that people can grow and change from their past behavior? I’m not the same person I was 5 years ago. yeah but why even share it publicly in the first place? What the hell was he trying to accomplish? A press junket isn't a Racists Anonymous meeting for recovering racists. I don't care what he was thinking, he shouldn't have shared his past baggage in this venue. Makes no freaking sense how he thought this was a good idea. Also, I haven't seen anyone in this thread calling him a racist so I don't think the issue is that people don't think he's changed. Most folks from what I can tell are just baffled at this totally bizarre decision to share publicly this awful story that helps no one. Oh I’m not referring to this thread. This thread is fine. But go on twitter and other places on the internet and you’d be under the impression that Liam Neeson is actively planning on killing black people right now and that he should never be allowed to work again.
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Post by quetee on Feb 6, 2019 16:04:30 GMT
There have been some bad headlines for this story, often ignoring the fact that Liam Neeson told this story as a major regret of his. This isn’t Ralph Northam being caught in a past racist act and then dodging and making excuses. This is a man fully acknowledging and condemending his own behavior from 40 years ago. Especially worth considering what he did by all accounts essentially amounts to a “thought crime”. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for calling out bigoted and abusive behavior in the industry. Maybe Liam Neeson could’ve worded it better. Maybe it still wasn’t appropriate to share such a story. But can we at least acknowledge that this was Liam Neeson condemning something he did 40 years ago and that people can grow and change from their past behavior? I’m not the same person I was 5 years ago. I understand what you are saying but he did go out with the intention of causing harm to a black man just cause he was black. He said he did it five times. So my guess is he either loss his nerve or didn't come across one. that happened 40 years ago and I appreciate that he acknowledged it was wrong. I don't think he's a racist. However, he should have known better especially in this climate cause people are annoying right know.
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Post by AKenjiB on Feb 6, 2019 16:23:09 GMT
There have been some bad headlines for this story, often ignoring the fact that Liam Neeson told this story as a major regret of his. This isn’t Ralph Northam being caught in a past racist act and then dodging and making excuses. This is a man fully acknowledging and condemending his own behavior from 40 years ago. Especially worth considering what he did by all accounts essentially amounts to a “thought crime”. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for calling out bigoted and abusive behavior in the industry. Maybe Liam Neeson could’ve worded it better. Maybe it still wasn’t appropriate to share such a story. But can we at least acknowledge that this was Liam Neeson condemning something he did 40 years ago and that people can grow and change from their past behavior? I’m not the same person I was 5 years ago. I understand what you are saying but he did go out with the intention of causing harm to a black man just cause he was black. He said he did it five times. So my guess is he either loss his nerve or didn't come across one. that happened 40 years ago and I appreciate that he acknowledged it was wrong. I don't think he's a racist. However, he should have known better especially in this climate cause people are annoying right know. Oh I definitely agree that what he did was wrong and since he did go out, yeah it arguably goes beyond a thought crime. I do feel pretty iffy on his decision to share the story for several reasons (Not sure it’s appropriate to say at a press junket, even for a revenge film, and people were obviously gonna take this out of context). I just don’t think him sharing the story makes him “cancelled” or whatever term people are using these days.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 6, 2019 17:22:28 GMT
yeah but why even share it publicly in the first place? What the hell was he trying to accomplish? A press junket isn't a Racists Anonymous meeting for recovering racists. I don't care what he was thinking, he shouldn't have shared his past baggage in this venue. Makes no freaking sense how he thought this was a good idea. Also, I haven't seen anyone in this thread calling him a racist so I don't think the issue is that people don't think he's changed. Most folks from what I can tell are just baffled at this totally bizarre decision to share publicly this awful story that helps no one. Oh I’m not referring to this thread. This thread is fine. But go on twitter and other places on the internet and you’d be under the impression that Liam Neeson is actively planning on killing black people right now and that he should never be allowed to work again. well ok, I hear. you. Twitter is a madhouse.
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