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Post by bob-coppola on Feb 3, 2019 23:05:45 GMT
Indeed. ASIB is competently made, enjoyable, just way too much saccharine. GB and BR are trainwrecks. Personally speaking, I liked Vice and thinks it's the best of these four cited, but I can totally see why people don't like it. Vice is extremely divisive. Some hate others love it. Personally I'm in the middle I respect it a lot but so much of it was too on the nose and quite frankly a hallow depiction of Dick Cheney. I didn't learn anything I didn't know. I disagree on many of its alleged flaws: I agree those elements are there, but I appreciate them. It is on the nose, and it is patronizing for its public, but I think it has to be on some level. We live in a time where people actually seem to believe that Trump was the first bad head of state, and the absolute worst of them all. Even Dems were talking about last year about how Bush was a gentleman, a nice senior whose hobbies include painting. So yeah, we sorta needed a movie that was this patronizing of the Bush administration. Vice has earned the right to call-out and laugh at the audience, imo. I get that it's annoying, but I'm fine with that.
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Post by rhodoraonline on Feb 4, 2019 3:56:54 GMT
ASIB lost it momentum when it lost the big prize at TIFF to Green Book.
The rest is all gaping mouths that just consistently fail to acknowledge the growing graffiti on the wall, award show after award show ... :/
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Post by morton on Feb 4, 2019 4:01:24 GMT
ASIB lost it momentum when it lost the big prize at TIFF to Green Book. The rest is all gaping mouths that just consistently fail to acknowledge the growing graffiti on the wall, award show after award show ... :/ I forgot about that, but yes you're absolutely right, that should have been a warning sign then. I remember some people speculating that maybe votes were disqualified because ASIB was expected to win, and there were complaints about Gaga's fans stuffing the ballot box.
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Post by The-Havok on Feb 4, 2019 15:35:51 GMT
Oh, God, I miss those sweet days when we were all clutching our pearls over Cooper being a threat to win BD and Gaga to BA, and Green Book and Bohemian Rhapsody were two harmless little pets we didn't think would eat us alive. Literally never happened. And Green Book won the Audience award at TIFF, it also premiered at Telluride. Bohemian Rhapsody was a monster crowdpleaser ala Moulin Rouge ! and The Martian. I knew the revisionists would come around this year again. Also, what the fuck does clutching your pearls even mean?
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Post by bob-coppola on Feb 4, 2019 17:01:32 GMT
Oh, God, I miss those sweet days when we were all clutching our pearls over Cooper being a threat to win BD and Gaga to BA, and Green Book and Bohemian Rhapsody were two harmless little pets we didn't think would eat us alive. Literally never happened. And Green Book won the Audience award at TIFF, it also premiered at Telluride. Bohemian Rhapsody was a monster crowdpleaser ala Moulin Rouge ! and The Martian. I knew the revisionists would come around this year again. Also, what the fuck does clutching your pearls even mean? Until the Globes, BR was just a box-office hit with terrible reviews: it was a dark horse at best, even Malek. Most of us thought it was a Globe thing only until very recently. And I remember clearly that, when GB won People's Choice at TIFF, it was deemed as a Hidden Figures/The Help redux. I think only quetee thought it'd be huge and everyone else was like "naaah". And this is what "to clutch one's pearls" means.
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Post by The-Havok on Feb 4, 2019 19:40:08 GMT
Literally never happened. And Green Book won the Audience award at TIFF, it also premiered at Telluride. Bohemian Rhapsody was a monster crowdpleaser ala Moulin Rouge ! and The Martian. I knew the revisionists would come around this year again. Also, what the fuck does clutching your pearls even mean? Until the Globes, BR was just a box-office hit with terrible reviews: it was a dark horse at best, even Malek. Most of us thought it was a Globe thing only until very recently. And I remember clearly that, when GB won People's Choice at TIFF, it was deemed as a Hidden Figures/The Help redux. I think only quetee thought it'd be huge and everyone else was like "naaah". And this is what "to clutch one's pearls" means. LMAO literally no one uses that phrase. I hoped there were less pretentious entry level cinephiles nowadays but that doesn't seem to be the case. It wasn't a Globe thing just though. It got a very predictable SAG Ensemble nomination. Critics don't vote and aren't industry experts so obviously you put too much faith into them like always.
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Post by quetee on Feb 4, 2019 19:44:12 GMT
Until the Globes, BR was just a box-office hit with terrible reviews: it was a dark horse at best, even Malek. Most of us thought it was a Globe thing only until very recently. And I remember clearly that, when GB won People's Choice at TIFF, it was deemed as a Hidden Figures/The Help redux. I think only quetee thought it'd be huge and everyone else was like "naaah". And this is what "to clutch one's pearls" means. LMAO literally no one uses that phrase. I hoped there were less pretentious entry level cinephiles nowadays but that doesn't seem to be the case. It wasn't a Globe thing just though. It got a very predictable SAG Ensemble nomination. Critics don't vote and aren't industry experts so obviously you put too much faith into them like always. where you been.... people are using that phrase. I even posts gifs.
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Post by bob-coppola on Feb 4, 2019 19:59:04 GMT
Until the Globes, BR was just a box-office hit with terrible reviews: it was a dark horse at best, even Malek. Most of us thought it was a Globe thing only until very recently. And I remember clearly that, when GB won People's Choice at TIFF, it was deemed as a Hidden Figures/The Help redux. I think only quetee thought it'd be huge and everyone else was like "naaah". And this is what "to clutch one's pearls" means. LMAO literally no one uses that phrase. I hoped there were less pretentious entry level cinephiles nowadays but that doesn't seem to be the case. It wasn't a Globe thing just though. It got a very predictable SAG Ensemble nomination. Critics don't vote and aren't industry experts so obviously you put too much faith into them like always. ... and that's exatcly the point of my post? It wasn't the Globe-only thing some had expected. And it was kind of surprising that it got a SAG Ensemble nod when no one can name any other actor in the cast other than Rami Malek. It was a one-man show all-around. Also, I'm not arguing that critics vote for the Oscar. But one thing is a critics-AMPAS dissonance with things like Green Book and Vice - less well-reviewed movies, sure, but still considered "good". Bohemian Rhapsody got a yellow score on Metactric: that's very unusual that a movie would recover from that and still get a BP nod. If I recall correctly, only Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close did it this decade. I'm not stating that it couldn't get a BP nod - it did -, but that it seemed extremly unlikely that it'd get one over something like If Beale Street Could Talk.
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Post by The-Havok on Feb 4, 2019 20:01:30 GMT
Lmao hey brad u going to the prom? Nah man, I'm too busy banging your mom Woah dude... Heh I'm just clutching your pearls
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Post by The-Havok on Feb 4, 2019 20:02:45 GMT
LMAO literally no one uses that phrase. I hoped there were less pretentious entry level cinephiles nowadays but that doesn't seem to be the case. It wasn't a Globe thing just though. It got a very predictable SAG Ensemble nomination. Critics don't vote and aren't industry experts so obviously you put too much faith into them like always. ... and that's exatcly the point of my post? It wasn't the Globe-only thing some had expected. And it was kind of surprising that it got a SAG Ensemble nod when no one can name any other actor in the cast other than Rami Malek. It was a one-man show all-around. It was a very popular film, had an ensemble and was successful. It was arguably precedented. Some pundits were just in denial.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Feb 4, 2019 20:03:16 GMT
As the idiom king of the internet, clutch one's pearls has to be one of the stupidest. Not sure what you can gif out of that. It's not very catchy for memes.
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Post by bob-coppola on Feb 4, 2019 20:05:27 GMT
... and that's exatcly the point of my post? It wasn't the Globe-only thing some had expected. And it was kind of surprising that it got a SAG Ensemble nod when no one can name any other actor in the cast other than Rami Malek. It was a one-man show all-around. It was a very popular film, had an ensemble and was successful. It was arguably precedented. Some pundits were just in denial. Tell that to La La Land and The Shape of Water: both were popular and received more individual nods than Bohemian Rhapsody.
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Post by notacrook on Feb 6, 2019 0:42:14 GMT
Honestly, I never truly bought this film to be THE big frontrunner for a bunch of wins. For a long time - until fairly recently - I had it in my top 3 contenders for BP, and I think it was always going to be one of the most heavily nominated films on the board, but it seemed too much like a film the Academy would have gone for maybe 10 or so years ago (I say this as someone who really likes it). I think the place it had the best chance of winning (outside of Song) was Cooper in Best Actor, and I am surprised that he slipped so quickly in that category, but otherwise I don't think it was so much a collapse as an inevitability.
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