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Post by cherry68 on Jan 27, 2019 22:57:31 GMT
I saw it today.
I think it appeals to slightly older audience than the first one.
It shows a passage from teenage years to adulthood and responsibilities, and how friends will leave eventually to follow their own paths. The plot itself and narrative scheme aren't too far from the second movie imo.
Your thoughts?
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jan 27, 2019 23:31:32 GMT
Seeing it Saturday.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 23, 2019 21:08:15 GMT
God this was so disappointing. (possibly spoilery rant) The emotional stakes are gone, the villain is unbelievably boring with motivations no different than Stoick's in the first one ("dragons are dangerous, i don't like dragons, muwhahaha"), the "hidden world" is a freakin' hole in the ground, the ending makes very little sense and makes assumptions that children won't question, Cate Blanchett's role is a barely a cameo, and it has a clear surplus of comic relief secondary characters that severely drag down the plot. I mean, no one fell in love with this story because of Ruffnut/Tuffnut/Snotlout/Fishlegs/Gobber did they? They made sense in the first film because Hiccup had to go to school and so they created student characters. It made sense and it worked, but now they serve no purpose at all. They took the ending of the first film where we got that cool redemptive moment where these kids that had resented Hiccup now came to fight be his side and then doubled down on them as lovable bumbling sidekicks that are almost always present. That was a problem for me in the sequel but it's only gotten more noticeable this time around. Why the hell do they have so much goddamn screentime in this thing? These characters exist for one purpose only; comic relief, and five comic relief secondary characters is way too much for any film. Besides the fact that their existence in the first film made narrative sense and accomplished things for the plot, that movie also had a lot of emotional depth balancing out the comic relief--the friendship between Hiccup and Toothless as two outcasts, the fraught relationship between Hiccup and Stoick, ANNNND Hiccup's friendship with Astrid. Those are the things that propelled the plot and made everyone fall in love with it. Those are the subplot that delivered the big emotional moments and the sweet ones. There's none of that emotional maturity in this film but there is a fuckload of comic relief. The jokes do not stop, even during the bits that are supposed to be dramatic, with the kind of ADD-style humor I imagine children will enjoy. Nice going there, Dreamworks. I'm sure you'll make a ton of money with this film and I'm sure the franchise will continue to be profitable in the form of merchandising while you sink money into crap projects like Secret Life of Pets. When the film does attempt to be halfway serious it comes up short. I don't know how anyone could compare the first film where Hiccup battles severe insecurity brought about by ostracism and a bad relationship with his father with this film's conflicts about Hiccup needing to let Toothless go and be free (which by the way comes out of nowhere and exists only because the plot needs it to exist) or when Astrid gives Hiccup that cheesy pep talk about how strong and inspirational he is. I mean come on. It's like some programmer watched the first film, fed the beats into a software program and this was the result. They went through the motions at every step. With the characters, with the comedy, with the drama, with the story, with the villain, with the score, even with the sound design. Not a single thing about this film rings true except for the box office receipts. Dreamworks has turned a mature and beautiful story about two self-doubting outsiders finding the courage to embrace themselves and the things that make them unique into a cheap children's entertainment franchise. This isn't the story I fell in love with nine years ago. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 9, 2019 3:07:55 GMT
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Post by JangoB on Mar 12, 2019 22:41:55 GMT
The weakest of the trilogy but it was still quite good. It often felt rushed and there're things that feel really underdeveloped and the whole villain business is not particularly interesting and is not really even necessary but it's an enjoyable adventure with some gorgeous animation, fantastic music and, most importantly, heart. For all its silly jokes and boring villains it has the emotional core that just works. The scenes between the Furies are beautiful and the finale is very very moving, although it also feels somewhat rushed. I wanted DeBlois to milk the feels even more than he did.
Wonderful score too, Powell really did something special with these movies.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Mar 15, 2019 20:05:03 GMT
Wonderful score too, Powell really did something special with these movies. I sometimes wonder if he single-handedly elevated them (facetiously, of course). And this... is so lovely, it hurts. |
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Post by JangoB on Mar 16, 2019 1:20:19 GMT
Wonderful score too, Powell really did something special with these movies. I sometimes wonder if he single-handedly elevated them (facetiously, of course). And this... is so lovely, it hurts. He did in a way, for sure. Music-wise, my favorite scene from the third installment is probably the one in which our heroes discover the hidden world - one would expect the score to go into full epic mode during that episode but I loved that Powell went for something more atmospheric, ambient, haunting. Sent chills down my spine and made the scene really impactful. But yes, the music during all the dragonlove scenes was fantastic too. All of it was really. |
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Post by Martin Stett on Dec 27, 2019 1:04:39 GMT
Well, I liked it.  The humor was a *bit* much, but I'm usually bothered more by that sort of thing. It helps that a lot of the gags actually made me laugh. The core story of Hiccup and Astrid learning to grow up and accept their adult responsibilities really worked (outside of the cheesy pep talk Tommen mentioned), they were always the best part of these movies and it was nice seeing them together when the last movie split them apart for the whole running time. I liked the villain to an extent: he's pointless yet again (this series never gets the villains right), but at least he's entertaining, as opposed to Drago's enervating presence. The story actually felt intense and scary in a way Dragon 2 didn't, because the A and B plots were not split up this time, but bled into each other and affected how Hiccup acts. And if nothing else, seeing Toothless flounder about in slapstick love was wonderful and heartwarming. So I could be nitpicky about a lot of little things here, but after the disappointing Dragon 2, this was a good way to wrap up these characters and give them a sendoff that was fitting for who they are and what has happened in their lives. Oh, and seeing Hiccup and Astrid finally get married legitimately made me teary-eyed. A lot of things in these movies could have been done better, but the core characters were great, and it was good to see them one more time. |
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The humor was a *bit* much, but I'm usually bothered more by that sort of thing. It helps that a lot of the gags actually made me laugh. The core story of Hiccup and Astrid learning to grow up and accept their adult responsibilities really worked (outside of the cheesy pep talk Tommen mentioned), they were always the best part of these movies and it was nice seeing them together when the last movie split them apart for the whole running time.