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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 4, 2019 23:24:34 GMT
First photo from set and a link to some others. Glad to see they got him in make-up, the homeless lunatic look he's been wearing in real life has grown quite concerning. Hope they let him keep the overcoat at least...... www.rexfeatures.com/livefeed/2019/04/04/'the_hunt'_on_set_filming,_new_york?
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Apr 8, 2019 11:50:59 GMT
Don't know what to make of this at the moment. Or what I want it to be (not that anyone would care about that).
I mean, there are Nazis, there are Jews, some of them surviving the atrocities of The Third Reich, there's this conspiracy element, which sounds pulpy as hell, then there are Nazi Hunters, Wiesenthal, the Klarsfelds come to mind. Then of course there is Jordan Peele, who first and foremost makes movies with a "message", so they certainly want to echo today's political climate, or at least what they make of it. (In a similar way to the late Larry Cohen, who also, to a certain degree, subverted his pulp stories with a political/sociological subtext.)
There's not much room for nuances, like lets say in Spielberg's Munich (for which he got attacked partly because he dared to at least allow a Palestinian view of history). Here you're dealing with Nazis, so obviously there's no doubt about who the bad guys are. All this makes it seem to be quite boring if you mainly treat it as something real and grounded. I guess they'll amp up the pulpy thriller aspects of it, while still treating the whole thing with a certain seriousness, because of the subject matter involved and to not get accused of tastelessness.
Just finished The Strain (nothing special, run-of-the-mill kind of stuff, despite some good things in it), and imagining Pacino beheading some Nazis the Abraham Setrakian way could be fun though.
As I have mentioned before, I've wanted this to have only one director doing all the episodes, so it has the potential to feel more like one long movie. Don't know much about Yip, but he seems to be behind some hip (haha), stylish looking shows, and he has an Asian background, so I would say they're aiming for a diverse roster behind the camera as well. Agnieszka Holland would be good, Franklin, Foley (directed Pacino to a great performance in Glengarry Glen Ross and is a total TV pro nowadays), Gomez, all great choices you've already mentioned. John Dahl is/was a great talent, he had a great run from the late 80's to the late 90's, but like most guys he earns his daily bread with TV stuff nowadays. Billy Friedkin had all kind of projects going after the critical success of Killer Joe, including a TV version of To Live and Die in L.A. Maybe he could direct an episode to get back in the saddle, but that's probably a long shot. Peter Medak, who has a lot of experience in episodic TV, would be great to see him work on this. Or another veteran like Michael Apted or Tim Hunter. Horror specialists David Slade or Neil Marshall. Vincenzo Natali, Keith Gordon and Brad Anderson could be interesting. Ernest Dickerson. I know he isn't considered to be anything special, but Joel Schumacher hasn't done a lot recently, and his House of Cards episode got a good reception. Philipp Kadelbach did the whole Nazis in Britain show SS-GB, so he knows some stuff about this topic. Frank Darabont couldn't get a lot off the ground in recent time, but he has never really worked as a hired hand. Josh Radnor and Peele himself are also possibilities. Pacino worked with Jon Avnet twice before, so he could be in contention. And there's Hackford, maybe he's up for it.
Or more realistically, some of all the other TV pros like (deep breath) Podeswa, Minahan, Glatter, Attias, Coulter, Graves, Schlamme, Abraham, Percival, Sackheim, Semel, Skogland, Cuesta, Nutter, Clark Johnson, Rymer, Tim Van Patten, Mikael Salomon, Bender, Matt Shakman, Hopkins, Poul, Barclay, Hoblit, Mimi Leder...
Sorry, I've already mentioned too many names rather randomly. Scheduling or no interest in this show without getting to have a bigger creative input with at least directing the pilot, which is already Gomez-Rejon's job, could also lead to more Yips, whose hiring could signal Peele is more interested in a younger, more diverse group of up-and-comers.
If my dream becomes reality one day and I'll be the dictator over the movie/TV world, I would go with Medak, Friedkin, Dahl, Foley, Holland, Franklin, Gordon, Anderson, Slade/Natali/Marshall...
The cast so far looks solid, with Big Al clearly being the standout (second best actor of his generation, after Bobby D., take this Mattsby & pacinoyes 😎). I like Baker and Kane, Rubinek is always fun to have around. Lerman/Radnor are a bit boring, but I won't complain. Lena Olin as a Nazi leader is interesting casting, especially after she had prominently played Jews before like in The Reader or Enemies, A Love Story. This kind of story, possibly with a lot of ethnic European characters, could lead to an interesting cast.
pacinoyes has mentioned he hopes for a Goren/Wallace dynamic here, I doubt it, but that would be GREAT. What an exceptional series Criminal Intent was in its early seasons, mixing pulp with psychological insight that was mesmerizing in its best moments. And D'Onofrio, wow!
Maybe even more interesting than the director question (the showrunner runs the show, no pun intended) is who may pop up here and there during the season. De Niro always uses his buddies again and again over the years (the same is true for Scorsese), and I'm not primarily talking about big time guys like Pesci, Keitel & company, but more small time players or even guys that weren't that much professional actors before (and this up until the upcoming The Irishman). Narducci, Chuck Low, Paul Herman, Barry Primus, Domenick Lombardozzi, Vinny Vella, Cathy Moriarty, Turturro, Polce...
So maybe Pacino can use his sway to put some of his folks/former collaborators in there (like Kane & Baker). Hey James Caan is jewish and is a great performer with tons of charisma. Charles Grodin, Dan Hedaya would be great. Dominic Chianese. Or team up again with his The Basic Training of Pavlo Hummel co-stars Lance Henriksen, Larry Bryggman and Paul Guilfoyle (hey pacinoyes, The Local Stigmatic!). Marsha Mason? Marthe Keller? I know she's basically retired, but it would be a nice touch to see Kitty Winn somewhere in this. As for the villains, Richard Sammel was an exceptionally repulsive individual in The Strain, but his casting could also seem like a rehash. There are a lot of interesting german speaking/Northern European actors who could work for this, some of them more known internationally, young and old, while others could use this to raise their visibility in the US. On the other hand it is/was always a little bit problematic for some to play a Nazi, ideologically or out of fear to be/get pigeonholed (worked for Waltz though). Lars Eidinger made a name for himself in international productions. Or you just have to look at the cast list of Malick's A Hidden Life: Diehl, Fehling and Rogowski have big potential, Prochnow is legendary, Markovics, Moretti and Matthes are very good. Then there are the living legends Mario Adorf and Armin Mueller-Stahl, both of whom will never do this. Berlin Alexanderplatz lead actor Günter Lamprecht was offered Egoyan's Remember, but had to withdraw due to health problems, which he regretted tremendously. So he could be a candidate. Personally I would love to see Hanna Schygulla in something more high profile again, but honestly rather for something else than this. The same is true for Klaus Maria Brandauer, who after Ganz' death is probably the preeminent actor in the german speaking world, but he's busy at the time with the Nibelungen festival (he's somehow similar to Pacino, considers himself more a theater guy than anything else really and is a pretty emotional performer). All this guesswork is probably futile (but fun), but they'll almost certainly go the easy way and cast more recognizable faces to the American public.
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 8, 2019 12:18:30 GMT
Great post Leo - and btw I should mention here that Mattsby brought up a great point in a PM to me that I think matters a lot - "Is Pacino signed for more than 1 season?"......because I don't think much will happen in season 1 with guests but in season 2 if it "hits" things could be far more glittery - I mean Klaus Maria Brandauer literally made me jump and down and so would Sergio Castellitto who I consider one of the world's eminent actors along the same lines of some of the names you mentioned and a guy I always think would be great to see him interact with.
A couple of little things that make me a little upbeat too - for a while this looked going too jokey like Hogan's Heroes/A-Team with some casting but in the photos in what is clearly one of the first scenes Pacino is revealing his concentration camp number tattoo to Lerman which is what I want (and the more serious, the better) and I was quite impressed by Episode 1 of Peele's other TV show - it like it looked like it was a feature movie (Twilight Zone - The Comedian episode is on Youtube) - I can't say the quality will hold up but that was quite strong and more importantly the production values were really aces.
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Post by TerryMontana on Apr 8, 2019 18:49:23 GMT
1. There's not much room for nuances, like lets say in Spielberg's Munich (for which he got attacked partly because he dared to at least allow a Palestinian view of history). Here you're dealing with Nazis, so obviously there's no doubt about who the bad guys are. All this makes it seem to be quite boring if you mainly treat it as something real and grounded. I guess they'll amp up the pulpy thriller aspects of it, while still treating the whole thing with a certain seriousness, because of the subject matter involved and to not get accused of tastelessness. 2. Agnieszka Holland would be good, Franklin, Foley (directed Pacino to a great performance in Glengarry Glen Ross and is a total TV pro nowadays), Billy Friedkin had all kind of projects going after the critical success of Killer Joe, including a TV version of To Live and Die in L.A. Maybe he could direct an episode to get back in the saddle, but that's probably a long shot. Or another veteran like Michael Apted. Frank Darabont couldn't get a lot off the ground in recent time, but he has never really worked as a hired hand and Peele himself are also possibilities. And there's Hackford, maybe he's up for it. Or more realistically, some of all the other TV pros like (deep breath) Coulter, Percival, Tim Van Patten, Mimi Leder... 3. The cast so far looks solid, with Big Al clearly being the standout ( second best actor of his generation, after Bobby D., take this Mattsby & pacinoyes 😎). 1. It's true there is no doubt about the way they're going here: The Nazis are the bad guys and that's it. I prefer it to be as serious and dramatic as it gets, though, or else it may become something like a parody. I don't remember if I posted this before, but this is a series in Amazon about the Nazis, while Amazon already has The Man in the High Castle. Anyway, imo this show could very easily become a parody, as the Nazis are depicted as the winners of WW2 and the leaders of the world, thus the "good ones". Yet, it's as serious and dramatic as it needs to be, dealing with such an issue, even without following exactly the original material (the book). It's a very decent series if you ask me. So I really hope they do the same here, also. 2. I'd love to see some of the guys I highlighted directing one or two episodes, even though Friedkin's last collaboration with Al was not something Pacino would like to remember. 3. Uumm.. No!!!
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Post by Mattsby on Apr 9, 2019 18:51:21 GMT
Serpico sequel underway...
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 10, 2019 1:40:47 GMT
Another couple of "names" for fantasy casting in season 2, Jewish ethnicity, one actor, one writer.
Richard Dreyfuss - a Pacino sort of hater at one time, obviously the right type for this material and in a career spot where he could do this and be great. His casting would be quite a coup in a way and he was aces on TV as Madoff fairly recently.
Jon Robin Baitz - the writer of a shaky, misdirected Pacino film - People I Know, but one that captured an at times great-ish and one-liner sharp Pacino character performance. Baitz is not only ethnically appropriate and geographically appropriate (New York-centric) he also weaves history into a lot into his stuff too.
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 11, 2019 16:41:27 GMT
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Post by Mattsby on May 15, 2019 14:02:31 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on May 15, 2019 14:23:52 GMT
Observations : That's his Lear beard he's just working on it I bet! Check back with him in 2 months and it will be in full David Letterman crazy king mode I think the next nomination he gets - if he gets one - breaks his Golden Globe tie with Nicholson ........though he's 4-5 behind Lemmon I think who is really the Meryl Streep of Golden Globe male nominees..........and of course he's very far back of Meryl Streep who is the.......um...... Meryl Streep of Golden Globe nominees. He does look pretty cool here - Thank God he does still work because if not the all in black, homeless street person dude look would be too much to deal with - I hope they gave him that coat from wardrobe. As the greatest living English speaking actor - and I say that humbly everyone, since he you know, won a poll - and runner-up Daniel Day-Lewis is making crocs somewhere as we speak for Godsakes...... (kidding, kidding) fashion matters Al, you could be going to France next week - get your head in the game already pal, geesh
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Post by TerryMontana on May 15, 2019 16:35:33 GMT
Observations : That's his Lear beard he's just working on it I bet! Check back with him in 2 months and it will be in full David Letterman crazy king mode I think the next nomination he gets - if he gets one - breaks his Golden Globe tie with Nicholson ........though he's 4-5 behind Lemmon I think who is really the Meryl Streep of Golden Globe male nominees..........and of course he's very far back of Meryl Streep who is the.......um...... Meryl Streep of Golden Globe nominees. Exactly my thoughts when I read Mattsby's post. The Lear beard and Jack's gg nominations!! Shirley MacLaine has one or two more and Lemon another one or two. Streep's numbers in Oscars and gg are just insane. Well, if Al gets one for the Hunt, one for the Irishman and one for OUATIH (I know he won't, I'm just saying) then he could... HUNT Lemmon (pan intended). Of course two gg noms in the same category in the same year are not allowed, I think (just like the Oscars). I love seeing him well-dressed while filming. It's the only moment in his life he doesn't dress like a hobo. PS. How about he wins the Oscar in February and turns up in Kodak theater like this...
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 13, 2019 18:32:19 GMT
Some news on director Dennie Gordon on board to direct 2 episodes - she's kind of a big deal as far as TV goes....hope the multiple directors can maintain some sense of unity etc. So that's 5 episodes assigned to directors (2 for Gordon, 2 for Wayne Yip, 1 for Alfonso Gomez-Rejon) hope the show runner is on their game...... DGA-Award winning director Dennie Gordon has been tapped to direct the Season 2 finale and penultimate episode of Warrior, Cinemax’s Tong Wars drama series from Justin Lin and Banshee co-creator Jonathan Tropper. In addition, the busy Gordon directs two episodes of Amazon’s The Hunt, a vengeance-driven Nazi hunting series executive produced by Oscar-winning Get Out writer-director Jordan Peele.deadline.com/2019/06/dennie-gordon-to-direct-episodes-of-cinemaxs-warrior-amazons-the-hunt-1202630781/
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Post by Mattsby on Jun 13, 2019 21:56:48 GMT
Ahh, I thought that said David Gordon Green for a second!
So nothing special with the directors so far, I thought there'd be some bigger interesting names coming in for Pacino. Now I think Gomez-Rejon should've directed the whole thing but that's mostly due to my one-director preference.
2-3 more directors, right? C'mon, John Dahl !
Btw.... don't know if I mentioned this. The showrunner Nikki Toscano is dating the guy who got cast as younger Pacino - he also according to his instagram lost almost 40lbs for the part so that's something.
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Post by Mattsby on Jul 27, 2019 17:56:35 GMT
Salke, Amazon Studio head....
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Post by TerryMontana on Jul 27, 2019 19:40:07 GMT
I think shooting will last for about another month.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 29, 2019 16:51:41 GMT
A filmed scene - no sound but you can hear Al yell (um) and he looks and sounds at his most Dustin Hoffman-ish here.
This project is fascinatingly goofy - in the IMDB cast list they have a character of President Jimmy Carter (why?) - I mean at first I was worried this would be cheesy like The A-Team........now I'm worried it may be too ambitiously wtf-ish.
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Post by TerryMontana on Jul 29, 2019 17:58:41 GMT
Peele usually makes some fine stuff and that's why I'm hoping this is gonna be good...
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Post by Mattsby on Jul 29, 2019 20:49:24 GMT
One side quibble about OUATIH is that before we knew Pacino had a blip of a role I thought he'd be at the Cannes premiere and do some interviews, but there was none of that. He wasn't even at the LA premiere bc he was in NY filming The Hunt - which at least we know he'll have a significant role. Have we mentioned Simon Wiesenthal yet?? He's been portrayed in a few movies already namely Olivier and Kingsley, though I haven't seen those. He seems to be a big influence maybe the biggest on the Pacino character. Holocaust survivor, "hunter" of postwar fugitive Nazis, the organization named after him began in '77 (when the show takes place) and at the time their biggest focus was rescinding the war criminal statute of limitations in Germany that was up for '79. He also clashed with Elie Wiesel, and in the '70s was called a fascist and a mafioso by the Austrian chancellor. Fascinating guy, lot to mine .... Also another pic from yesterday (where it was like 90°, someone fan the man!)... and to quote Songs from the Second Floor, "Beloved be the man who sits down..."
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Post by Mattsby on Aug 2, 2019 2:40:48 GMT
Just a little update, the man was fanned. But really I wanted to talk a bit about John Caglione Jr, the lad standing to the right in the pic. He's not credited on IMDb yet for The Hunt, but this will be his 15th project with Pacino doing the makeup, a great and long-lasting collaboration. They talk about each other in interviews lovingly too. Caglione Jr is an Oscar winner, and should be a household name anyway for doing the Ledger Joker makeup!
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Post by TerryMontana on Aug 2, 2019 5:28:00 GMT
Just a little update, the man was fanned. But really I wanted to talk a bit about John Caglione Jr, the lad standing to the right in the pic. He's not credited on IMDb yet for The Hunt, but this will be his 15th project with Pacino doing the makeup, a great and long-lasting collaboration. They talk about each other in interviews lovingly too. Caglione Jr is an Oscar winner, and should be a household name anyway for doing the Ledger Joker makeup! Pacino also mentioned him in his speech for an Emmy he eon (or GG maybe?). I think they started working together in 1990 for Dick Tracy but I'm too bored to google it.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 2, 2019 10:09:24 GMT
Have we mentioned Simon Wiesenthal yet?? He's been portrayed in a few movies already namely Olivier and Kingsley, though I haven't seen those. He seems to be a big influence maybe the biggest on the Pacino character. Holocaust survivor, "hunter" of postwar fugitive Nazis, the organization named after him began in '77 (when the show takes place) and at the time their biggest focus was rescinding the war criminal statute of limitations in Germany that was up for '79. He also clashed with Elie Wiesel, and in the '70s was called a fascist and a mafioso by the Austrian chancellor. Fascinating guy, lot to mine .... Also another pic from yesterday (where it was like 90°, someone fan the man!)... and to quote Songs from the Second Floor, "Beloved be the man who sits down..." When liars discuss acting they sometimes call people the "GOAT" (Greatest of All Time) when in reality they mean the "PIG" (Pacino Is Greater) - just made that up - on my third cup of coffee Matts !................but Olivier - arguably the real GOAT I think inspired the starting point for the Pacino characterization weirdly. I think all the elements of performance might come from just that Olivier played him at all rather than the Wiesenthal he portrayed - in Boys From Brazil the character (not named Wiesenthal but clearly him) is almost too soft - and in the Kingsley version (he's great) is too linear and direct. Assuming the show doesn't suck (big assumption) - it has to, I think set up a reality based hero (Pacino) who can murder with a reality villain who feels more justified in murder than him - the real life Ilse Koch (Lena Olin) - the idea of a character called "The Colonel" lends itself to something really weird and thrilling and almost mad historical revisionism - an older version of Ilsa She Wolf Of The SS really (inspired by Koch too actually). Not to beat this into the ground (too late!) but I'm looking for a Bobby Goren-Nicole Wallace in Law & Order Criminal Intent and that got pretty preposterous but they went all the way with it and I'd like this show to make that look understated and subtle
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 30, 2019 17:42:36 GMT
Al looking beat up in pajamas and a robe. Hmmmmmm. The cast list is insane and expanded now on IMDB - someone played J. Edgar Hoover in at least 1 episode (!?!)
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Post by Mattsby on Aug 30, 2019 17:57:43 GMT
Do we think they'll stick with The Hunt title? after Universal's controversy with their same title....
well actually... they've been shooting this under the name Leviathan. Pacino can be seen in some pics with scripts that have Leviathan as the title too... maybe that's it.
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Post by TerryMontana on Aug 30, 2019 20:50:02 GMT
Isn't this supposed to wrap shooting in the next few days or what?
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Post by Mattsby on Aug 30, 2019 21:01:38 GMT
Isn't this supposed to wrap shooting in the next few days or what? maybe a Pacino wrap - they estimated he was working btwn April 1 - Aug 31, but that didn't count reshoots and stuff. They'll still be shooting the show by Sept 11, after that idk so I'd say official wrap mid-to-late Sept.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 4, 2019 19:51:26 GMT
Wasn't sure where to put this news but this seems like a better place than The Irishman thread. This will be September 25th - 2 days before The Irishman premiere so he should have some good stuff to say on that and The Hunt TV show too - stuff that may not make it into the broadcast (which will air at a later TBD date of course). So if you're in NYC and can get in .......pretty cool. Inside The Actors Studio hosted by Ellen Burstyn with guest Al Pacino September 25th 7:00 Pace University Schimmel Centerwww.pace.edu/mypace/inside-actors-studio-al-pacino?mpc=csHere they are winning their BAFTA awards together at the Actors Studio (!) - kind of sweet......still friends, Triple Crown winners and co-Presidents of the Actors Studio now - how have they never worked together?
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